From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com  Thu Jan 13 21:19:15 2005
From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 21:19:15 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] This is the "New" SquareDancing List
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Hi,

I've decided to quite trying to revive my old Macintosh where I was running 
the SquareDancing list and replace it with this list.

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From lfc32 at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 13 22:14:36 2005
From: lfc32 at earthlink.net (Loren Castro)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2005 19:14:36 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] This is the "New" SquareDancing List
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OK, Ken.  Thanks.

Loren
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From StarArtist at BigValley.Net  Sat Jan 15 13:44:36 2005
From: StarArtist at BigValley.Net (Bill)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:44:36 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] Singles Clubs in Orange County Cal
Message-ID: <41E96494.6090407@BigValley.Net>

Have not found any web presence of any singles clubs in Orange County.  
Does anyone have any info if they still exist or when/were they dance?

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From ljknews at mac.com  Sat Jan 15 14:15:10 2005
From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:15:10 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] What is a Singles Club
In-Reply-To: <41E96494.6090407@BigValley.Net>
References: <41E96494.6090407@BigValley.Net>
Message-ID: <p05200f08be0f17f30d0b@[192.168.1.254]>

At 10:44 AM -0800 1/15/05, Bill wrote:
>Have not found any web presence of any singles clubs in Orange County.  Does anyone have any info if they still exist or when/were they dance?

To split a topic:

What is a singles club ?

The national association says it is one composed of members who are not
married. But I was interested more in the operational definition used
by the average dancer, such as in the question above.

In Eastern Massachusetts the two clubs I would classify as singles
clubs don't have that as a basis at all.  One sees people dance with a
different partner each tip (by custom rather than by regulation), and
the other is not even that definite, even though "Single" is in their
name.

I exclude the local gay club.  Under Massachusetts law that could be
composed entirely of gay married couples, but it does not work that
way because:

	a) Not all members of the gay square dance club are gay
	b) Close to none of the gay members are in a situation
	   where their life partner (married or not) is also
	   a square dancer.

The club where I learned is certainly not a "singles club" but has a
reasonable fraction of the members who come without partners.

A neighboring club has a strict rule that you cannot become a member
unless you are a married couple.
-- 
Larry Kilgallen



From dave at daveswebplace.net  Mon Jan 17 20:50:11 2005
From: dave at daveswebplace.net (Dave)
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 20:50:11 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] What is a Singles Club
In-Reply-To: <p05200f08be0f17f30d0b@[192.168.1.254]>
Message-ID: <000c01c4fd00$0ff135b0$6401a8c0@dave1500>

I don't know if there is really an official, or operational, definition of a
single's square dance club.  I've danced at a lot of clubs that are
considered "single's" clubs.  Some of them permit married members, but the
majority of the members are single.  Some of them permit married members but
their officers must be single.  

One thing all of them have in common is that they are clubs where a dancer
can visit without a partner.  

To answer the original question, I'm not sure about the Orange County area.
There are a few California single's clubs listed on http://www.dosido.com/
and http://www.ssdusa.org/ .  You can also drop Single Square Dancers USA an
email at info at ssdusa.org.  

Dave Hinde
 


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Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] What is a Singles Club


At 10:44 AM -0800 1/15/05, Bill wrote:
>Have not found any web presence of any singles clubs in Orange County.  
>Does anyone have any info if they still exist or when/were they dance?

To split a topic:

What is a singles club ?

The national association says it is one composed of members who are not
married. But I was interested more in the operational definition used by the
average dancer, such as in the question above.

In Eastern Massachusetts the two clubs I would classify as singles clubs
don't have that as a basis at all.  One sees people dance with a different
partner each tip (by custom rather than by regulation), and the other is not
even that definite, even though "Single" is in their name.

I exclude the local gay club.  Under Massachusetts law that could be
composed entirely of gay married couples, but it does not work that way
because:

	a) Not all members of the gay square dance club are gay
	b) Close to none of the gay members are in a situation
	   where their life partner (married or not) is also
	   a square dancer.

The club where I learned is certainly not a "singles club" but has a
reasonable fraction of the members who come without partners.

A neighboring club has a strict rule that you cannot become a member unless
you are a married couple.
-- 
Larry Kilgallen

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From htrost at onlinehome.de  Tue Jan 18 02:40:53 2005
From: htrost at onlinehome.de (Heinz D. Trost)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 08:40:53 +0100
Subject: [Squaredancing] What is a Singles Club
In-Reply-To: <000c01c4fd00$0ff135b0$6401a8c0@dave1500>
References: <000c01c4fd00$0ff135b0$6401a8c0@dave1500>
Message-ID: <41ECBD85.7070102@onlinehome.de>

Dave et al,


>I don't know if there is really an official, or operational, definition of a
>single's square dance club.
>

a  singles club is the opposite of a couples club.

So, what's a couples club?

In a couples club 
1. you only can become membership if you are a couple,
2. mostly you can  join to the class only as a couple, some couples 
clubs accept single/solo students, but after graduation  a  single/solo 
can't become membership. 
3. some request guest to come as couples, only,
4. others accept singles as visitors, but only once,
5. mostly the couples dance just with the partner they broad with,
6. if you were member of a couples club and you are widowed, then in 
several couples clubs you will get forced to leave the club if you can't 
bring in a new partner immediately.
7. Couples clubs are mostly on the way to die,- because more than 60 
percent of the living people are singles or solos. Some some couples 
clubs try to survive by opening the club for singles/solos. Others open 
their clubs for single men, they hope that single dance willing men will 
attract ladies...

So, what's a single?

Singles are people who don't have a partner,- no matter if they seek for 
one or just be a happy single

And what's a solo?

Solos are people who have a partner but this partner don't or can't dance.

So, what's a singles club?

A singles club is a club who welcomes singles, solos and usually 
non-singles (e.g. couples), too. Single clubs welcome guest dancers, no 
matter if they are single or non-singles. In a singles club it's used to 
change partners from one tip to each other,- and also non-singles who 
attends a club dance night or a special dance of a singles club should 
expect that other dancers will ask them for a tip, too. In singles clubs 
also student can attend a class as a single, too. In some clubs, 
especcially if the class has got a lack of men and the club can't fix 
that by angels, then some of the surplus women will be asked if they 
would learn the men part first...

Lot's of American singles clubs are members in one of the National 
singles club asocciations, e.g. "Bachelor & Bachelorettes" (sp?)

Here in Germany almost all clubs are open to singles, solos and couples.
We only have one Mainstream couples club and one Plus couples club,-
the revenge:
The Mainstream couples club membership get elder and  they need up to 
4-5 years to have a new class (they only accept couples as students).
For a long time they also only accept visitors if they arrived as a 
mixed sex couple, they ignored guests who were single, solo or same sex 
couples.
Actually the new board now accepts all guest, but doesn't change the 
couples club membership policy,- so the club is still on the way to die.
.
The Plus club  get an annual clas together (they accept single students 
(Maintream graduated), but after graduation only couples will be able to 
become members),- so usually this club get no new member or in best case 
one couple from any class. They are on the way to die, too.

Both clubs stay unregistered, this because here in Germany only clubs 
can get registered which are open to everybody.

Heinz
Germany






From bi434 at lafn.org  Thu Jan 20 13:32:59 2005
From: bi434 at lafn.org (Karl Springer)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:32:59 -0800
Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: sd-socal: (Fwd) Singles Clubs in Orange County
	Cal
Message-ID: <41EF88DB.3139.1097650@localhost>

On 20 Jan 2005 at 8:49 -0800, Gary M. Darcy said, at least in 
part:  

> Can anyone help "Bill" out with singles club info in Orange
> County? 
> 
> ------- Forwarded message follows -------
> 
> Date sent: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:44:36 -0800
> From: Bill <StarArtist at BigValley.Net>
> Subject: [Squaredancing] Singles Clubs in Orange County Cal
> 
> Have not found any web presence of any singles clubs in Orange
> County.  Does anyone have any info if they still exist or 
> when/were they dance?
> 
> ------- End of forwarded message -------

In [Squaredancing] forum there has been some discussion on what 
is meant by a Singles Club.  

FWIW following are the results of a cursory search of The Open 
Squares (a square dance directory) for clubs in and nearby 
Orange County CA with Singles Rotation: 

Boys 'n' Berries <http://www.boysnberries.org/>

Buttons & Bows <http://members.aol.com/chaross/buttnbohome.htm>

Chevron Squares <http://www.geocities.com/nashville/5280/>

Church Mice <http://www.churchmice.com/>

Orange Coast Lariats <http://www.orangecoastlariats.net/>

Ramblin' Rogues <http://www.ramblinrogues.us/pages/1/index.htm>

Royal T's <web presence, if any, unknown>

Rustlers <http://home.earthlink.net/~tlkinkelaar/Rustlers.html>

Santana Swingers <web presence, if any, unknown>

Karl




From WA8VEC at ARRL.NET  Sun Jan 30 03:00:15 2005
From: WA8VEC at ARRL.NET (Mike Gormley)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 03:00:15 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] Website for Mike Gormley has moved
Message-ID: <41FC940F.1020909@ARRL.NET>

My website has moved from its Earthlink home to the following url:

http://www.Mike-Gormley.com

Please change your bookmarks or favorites as necessary.

Both Colleen's and my email addresses will remain unchanged.

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From WA8VEC at ARRL.NET  Sun Jan 30 02:00:05 2005
From: WA8VEC at ARRL.NET (Mike Gormley)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 02:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Squaredancing] New Website for Mike Gormley
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My website has moved from its Earthlink home to the following url:

http://www.Mike-Gormley.com

Please change your bookmarks or favorites as necessary.

Both Colleen's and my email addresses will remain unchanged.

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