From dcallander at triad.rr.com Wed Jun 8 11:40:21 2005 From: dcallander at triad.rr.com (Dick Callander) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:40:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Message-ID: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as they can be called. `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and wait to be ask or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall in beside her ? I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this situation. Thanks in advance. Dick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you need ideas for the topics of cards I can get with the lady from our club that made them and give you some of her ideas. She would not mind at all but would be flattered her ideas were working for other clubs as well as ours. If you need anything else, please let me know. Michele Beckwith Dick Callander wrote: > Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as > they can be called. > > `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single > lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and > wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall > in beside her ? > > > I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this > situation. Thanks in advance. > > Dick > > > > > < Arial> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anniebplus at aol.com Wed Jun 8 12:34:28 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:34:28 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Message-ID: <8.6a051621.2fd87814@aol.com> I guess one question would be...are there single men at these dances? I belong to a club that has both single men and men with partners. Once I knew which men were single, I used to go and ask them which tip they had free. I lined up my partners before the dance began. However, I was at a club last night where there were more single ladies then there were single men. In that case, I got into a square and held up my hand to indicate that I needed a partner. Whichever she feels more comfortable with, Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anniebplus at aol.com Wed Jun 8 12:38:03 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:38:03 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Message-ID: <60.572c2783.2fd878eb@aol.com> We have the women form a circle on the inside facing out. The men form a circle on the outside facing in. When the caller starts the music both circles start moving right. When he stops the music, the woman is partnered with whoever is in front of her. Not only does it give single women the opportunity to dance at least once but also the opportunity to couples to mix it up. That was one of the things I liked about square dancing is that men would ask another woman to dance if his partner wanted to sit one out without a dissolution of a relationship. Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luv2sqdnce at aol.com Wed Jun 8 13:00:48 2005 From: luv2sqdnce at aol.com (luv2sqdnce at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:00:48 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> References: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: <8C73A62C111DE5E-E48-11C14@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Hello, Being a Solo Dancer myself...it really depends on who you are. Myself, I tend to either ask one of the people at the dance to be my partner for the next tip, or just stand in the square (where the caller can see me!) and wait for the spot to be filled. Truly, it just depends on who you are and what you are comfortable doing, as well as how your particular club responds to having the Solo Dancer there. I know, from experience, that not all clubs are accepting of Solo dancers. Heather B -----Original Message----- From: Dick Callander To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:40:21 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as they can be called. `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall in beside her ? I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this situation. Thanks in advance. Dick < Arial> _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luv2sqdnce at aol.com Wed Jun 8 13:06:20 2005 From: luv2sqdnce at aol.com (luv2sqdnce at aol.com) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 13:06:20 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <8.6a051621.2fd87814@aol.com> References: <8.6a051621.2fd87814@aol.com> Message-ID: <8C73A63869BDCCB-E48-11CD4@MBLK-M32.sysops.aol.com> Anne, Another option, this is something that I do: if there are not enough men to dance the left hand dancer part, then learn to dance both sides. That way no matter if the club is short on right hand dancers (ladies) or left hand dancers (men), you can dance either part and not have to sit out a tip if you dont really want to. Heather -----Original Message----- From: Anniebplus at aol.com To: Squaredancing at rbnsn.com Sent: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:34:28 EDT Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] Question I guess one question would be...are there single men at these dances? I belong to a club that has both single men and men with partners. Once I knew which men were single, I used to go and ask them which tip they had free. I lined up my partners before the dance began. However, I was at a club last night where there were more single ladies then there were single men. In that case, I got into a square and held up my hand to indicate that I needed a partner. Whichever she feels more comfortable with, Anne _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Michele at MACSInc.com Wed Jun 8 13:28:42 2005 From: Michele at MACSInc.com (Michele Beckwith) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:28:42 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A714AB.1070200@MACSInc.com> References: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> <42A714AB.1070200@MACSInc.com> Message-ID: <42A72ACA.4030107@MACSInc.com> Michele Beckwith wrote: > The B&B's have two things they do to help out the single Dancers. > They have a tip they call lady's choice. They have what they call > mixer tips. One of our single lady's made up some cards. She chose > several topics to make the cards from. One set of cards will be "wild > anamils. The men have a set to draw from and the ladys have a set to > draw from. Whomever draws the cards that have the animal "monkey" wil > be partners for the mixer tip. We chose the third tip for ours. This > usually lets the lady's dance at least once. If you need ideas for > the topics of cards I can get with the lady from our club that made > them and give you some of her ideas. She would not mind at all but > would be flattered her ideas were working for other clubs as well as ours. > > If you need anything else, please let me know. > > Michele Beckwith > > > Dick Callander wrote: > >> Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as >> they can be called. >> >> `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single >> lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and >> wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to >> fall in beside her ? >> >> >> I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this >> situation. Thanks in advance. >> >> Dick >> >> >> >> >> < Arial> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squaredancing mailing list >>Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >>http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bi434 at hotfootspin.com Wed Jun 8 14:06:21 2005 From: bi434 at hotfootspin.com (Karl Springer) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 11:06:21 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: <42A6D12D.5091.72770A@localhost> On 8 Jun 2005 at 11:40 -0400, Dick Callander wrote, at least in part: > Our club has just recently begin having single members or > solos as they can be called. > > `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a > single lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the > sidelines and wait to be ask or simple stand in a square and > wait for a man to fall in beside her ? Singles' Rotation works well in some clubs. One implementation is to have the solo dancers put their name on a Postit. Divide the Postits into two groups, men and women. If the two groups are unequal in number, equalize by having dancers willing to dance "the other part" to do so. If there's an odd number of dancers, make up a Postit for a sit out. Arrange the Postits into two columns; the dancers in each row are partners for a tip. After each tip, move the bottom Postit from the women column to the top and move the others down one place. Karl From squarekopp at gmx.de Wed Jun 8 16:46:32 2005 From: squarekopp at gmx.de (squarekopp at gmx.de) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 22:46:32 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: Question Message-ID: <31388.1118263592@www32.gmx.net> >>> What is the proper accepted way for a single lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and wait to be asked or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall in beside her ? <<< Neither. She should stand up and look around her, at the rim of the dance floor. Heiner Fischle Hannover, Germany From rdunn01 at snet.net Wed Jun 8 16:58:56 2005 From: rdunn01 at snet.net (Rita M. Dunn) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:58:56 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: <004e01c56c6c$e77f8910$ec9bf504@DUNNFAMILY> A while back my former club (Swingles) in Western Mass. instituted what we called the "Red Dot Dancers". Dancers without partners and those willing to share their partner for a tip or two would place a small red dot (which was available at the admission desk) on their badge and this would let others know they were "available" to dance with whomever. Dancers could then ask without being embarrassed of the person not being single, etc. I still have a copy of the explanation which was available as dancers paid their admission. Just let me know. I know another club in Danbury, CT has also been using it with some success. We also tried the "Partner Rotation" chart similar to the Post-its but someone needs to be "in charge" of it and some did not understand the system so it didn't work quite right. Rita Dunn Formerly of Swingles but now belonging to Redstone Squares Western Massachusetts -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dick Callander Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:40 AM To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as they can be called. `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall in beside her ? I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this situation. Thanks in advance. Dick < Arial> Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available URL: From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com Wed Jun 8 17:03:59 2005 From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 17:03:59 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> References: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: <6.2.3.0.2.20050608165024.02e4f588@mail.rbnsn.com> At 11:40 AM 6/8/2005, Dick Callander wrote (in part): > Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos > as they can be called. > > My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single > lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines > and wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man > to fall in beside her ? Dick, I feel that it really depends on the traditions of the club. Since your club is just starting to accept singles (solos), then what ever you decide to do is fine within your club, just warn your single dancers that other clubs may have different rules. For example, the Mainstream club (Rutgers Promenaders ) where I am the President (for life???) started out as a singles college club. Officially, we are still a singles club, although we are no longer affiliated with the college, and most of our members are married couples. In our club any dancer can try to start a square and any single dancer can jump into an opening in a square. Also, most of our dancers are bi-dancual (they can dance either part), so it's not unusual to see a square of 5 women and 3 men or any other combination. BTW, many of our married members will also dance as a single dancer for a tip or two if their partner is tired or doesn't want to dance for some reason. Other clubs that have single dancers do things differently, asking that the single dancer find partners before getting into a square. There are single rotation schemes and other ways of mixing the partners. As I said, whatever your club decides on and works, is the way for you to go. Ken Robinson kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com From Anniebplus at aol.com Wed Jun 8 17:06:09 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 17:06:09 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Message-ID: Where in Western MA? I grew up and went to school in Springfield. Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ljknews at mac.com Wed Jun 8 18:51:26 2005 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 18:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> References: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: At 11:40 AM -0400 6/8/05, Dick Callander wrote: > Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos > as they can be called. Congratulations. > What is the proper accepted way for a single lady to acquire a > dance partner ? I presume you also want this answer for a single man acquiring a dance partner. What have you been doing heretofore when a married couple are members but only one of them comes to the dance ? > Should she sit on the sidelines and wait to be ask, That is good if s/he doesn't _really_ want to dance. But if s/he wants to dance s/he should ask someone. There is no reason for only men to ask. Choosing the someone often takes local knowledge, so existing members should help people in this position for a few weeks, just as they help visitors in this situation. > or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall in beside her ? At most clubs where I dance it is _not_ acceptable for someone who has not yet found a partner for this tip to occupy a "slot" when people who have found partners are still looking for a square. That convention starts to evaporate when the last square is forming and all the remaining bystanders seem not inclined to join in without encouragement. Quite often, a remaining couple on the sidelines will have only _one_ member who wants to dance. This is an ideal situation for having people who can dance either gender role. -- Larry Kilgallen From dave at daveswebplace.net Wed Jun 8 19:29:13 2005 From: dave at daveswebplace.net (Dave) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 19:29:13 -0400 Subject: Spam:*****, [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: There are several "sides" to this question and several answers. A lot depends on the area of the country. Different areas and different clubs had different accepted practices. First, never sit and wait for a partner to find you! This goes for both men and women. When the music starts, jump up and stand near the edge of the floor. Look around like you are looking for a partner and are eager to jump into a square. Also, make sure the club officers know you are single and need a partner. Standing in a square looking for a partner can be awkward. At clubs that are mainly single, it works out OK. At other clubs, you may be keeping a couple from filling that spot. Now if there are squares that need two more dancers, jump up and let them know you want to fill the spot if you find a partner. If you see a couple on the sidelines, let them in. Maybe they will split up to let you dance, maybe they will want to dance with each other. Some areas have single's rotation sign up sheets. There is one set of rotation quidelines online someplace, but I don't have that address. I hope someone can post it. I'd like to provide a link to it on the SSDUSA web site. Other area have dance cards for the ladies. This tends to cut out latecomers, or visitors that don't know the "ropes". In that case, the club officers should help out. Also, some areas the women tend to call around and fill up their cards before the dance has even started. One of the Panel discussions at this year's Nationals, in Portland, is "Single's How to Keep Them Interested". If you are attending the Nationals, please come to the Panel and share your thoughts. It will be Saturday morning at 10 AM (too early!). The single, or solo, dancer is the fastest growing segment of square dancing. A couple times in the last year surveys have shown that 60% of all new dancers are single. See ya'll in Portland, Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://www.daveswebplace.net _____ From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dick Callander Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:40 AM To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: Spam:*****, [Squaredancing] Question Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as they can be called. `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall in beside her ? I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this situation. Thanks in advance. Dick Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Cream_stripes_cream_border2.gif Type: image/gif Size: 230 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ljknews at mac.com Wed Jun 8 21:51:37 2005 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <200506082329.j58NTViA001409@mac.com> References: <200506082329.j58NTViA001409@mac.com> Message-ID: At 7:29 PM -0400 6/8/05, Dave wrote: > First, never sit and wait for a partner to find you! This > goes for both men and women. When the music starts, jump > up and stand near the edge of the floor. Look around like > you are looking for a partner and are eager to jump into a > square. Also, make sure the club officers know you are single > and need a partner. I discussed this thread with my wife and she said that if you want to be asked to dance again, never turn down someone who asks you to dance. Some of them went out on a limb to get up the nerve to ask you. Others who did not have that nerve may also be watching. > Standing in a square looking for a partner can be awkward. > At clubs that are mainly single, it works out OK. One of the clubs I talked about where this is forbidden dances as a singles club (though some people are married). They want partner acquisition time to be spent before taking up a slot in a square. -- Larry Kilgallen From lfc32 at earthlink.net Thu Jun 9 00:36:17 2005 From: lfc32 at earthlink.net (Loren Castro) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:36:17 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Question In-Reply-To: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> References: <42A71165.000017.02512@DICK> Message-ID: <42A7C741.1040807@earthlink.net> When my partner of 11 years started lessons, she (no dope) realized that if she wanted to square dance, she would have to learn both parts. So she did. I sort of miss those good old days of surplus ladies. Square dancing in those days was a target-rich environment. :-) lfc ----- Dick Callander wrote: > Our club has just recently begin having single members or solos as > they can be called. > > `My question is , What is the proper accepted way for a single > lady to acquire a dance partner ? Should she sit on the sidelines and > wait to be ask, or simple stand in a square and wait for a man to fall > in beside her ? > > > I would appreciate any information as to the what and why of this > situation. Thanks in advance. > > Dick > > > > > < Arial>Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 6/7/2005 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.5 - Release Date: 6/7/2005 From stigmalmo at sol.dk Thu Jun 9 04:19:15 2005 From: stigmalmo at sol.dk (stigmalmo at sol.dk) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:19:15 +0200 Subject: [Squaredancing] old convention programmes? Message-ID: <41E5B9CC0004095E@webmail-dk6.sol.no1.asap-asp.net> I am a caller from Denmark, Europe that enjoys calling over here. I am looking to see if I could find any of the older National Convention programmes from the 50?s and 60?s- does anyone out there know where I can get some? Happy dancin, Stig ________________________________________ F? din egen webmail p? http://www.sol.dk - gratis og med dig overalt! From Anniebplus at aol.com Thu Jun 9 13:18:43 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:18:43 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Question Message-ID: <13f.150f238d.2fd9d3f3@aol.com> The first few times I went to a Saturday night dance, a friend told me that men are as frightened at being rejected as women are. I had never thought of it that way before. That's when I started asking the single men if they had a particular tip open. If they did, great. If they didn't, they would usually suggest a tip that they did have that was open. Never had a problem after that. Also, I find that this is easier done when you are "hugging" the person you are asking to dance. After all, isn't that the main reason we square dance...the hugs we get? LOL Just kidding! But it sure makes it nice. Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If anyone is interested in how this was done, contact me privately. Ken Robinson From medic at comcast.net Thu Jun 23 00:13:46 2005 From: medic at comcast.net (Van Doren) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:13:46 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square DanceClubs/dances In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> Message-ID: I don't know how I got on your distribution list, but I would like you to remove my address from it immediately. It's quite possible than a previous Comcast cusomer had an account with this address, and used it to sign up for your newsletter. But I can assure you I do not (and would not ever do) square-dancing. No offence intended, mind you, but I like to hold my dancing partner "up close and personal". -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com]On Behalf Of Ken Robinson Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 9:00 PM To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square DanceClubs/dances Hi, For the last few weeks while job searching, I've been playing with customizing (read hacking) Google Maps (maps.google.com) to see if I could add Square Dance club locations to the maps. You can see my initial results at . Use the menu on the left side of the page to select the criteria used to display the clubs. These are the clubs in the Northern New Jersey Square Dancers Associaion. You can see my original way of finding clubs on the home page . You need Javascript turned on for this to work. There seems to be some problems when using MSIE 6.0. It works well with Firefox. Don't know about Opera and earlier versions of MSIE on the PC and MAC. If anyone is interested in how this was done, contact me privately. Ken Robinson _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From jop1 at comcast.net Thu Jun 23 00:54:56 2005 From: jop1 at comcast.net (Jim) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:54:56 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square Dance Clubs/dances In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050622214949.02618260@mail.comcast.net> At 09:00 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >For the last few weeks while job searching, I've been playing with >customizing (read hacking) Google Maps (maps.google.com) to see if I could >add Square Dance club locations to the maps. > >You can see my initial results at >. Use the menu on the left side >of the page to select the criteria used to display the clubs. These are >the clubs in the Northern New Jersey Square Dancers Associaion. You can >see my original way of finding clubs on the home page . > >You need Javascript turned on for this to work. There seems to be some >problems when using MSIE 6.0. It works well with Firefox. Don't know about >Opera and earlier versions of MSIE on the PC and MAC. > >If anyone is interested in how this was done, contact me privately. > >Ken Robinson > > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com Kin, you have done a great job with the club maps. I will bet you will soon wish you had not indicated that those of us that are interested in knowing how you created this to write you. But since you did, I am asking. 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Dave Knapp Express Press of Greenville 555A South Pleasantburg Drive Greenville, SC 29607 864/235-6950 864/242-3354 Fax DaveK at epgvl.com www.epgvl.com -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Ken Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:00 AM To: squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square DanceClubs/dances Hi, For the last few weeks while job searching, I've been playing with customizing (read hacking) Google Maps (maps.google.com) to see if I could add Square Dance club locations to the maps. You can see my initial results at . Use the menu on the left side of the page to select the criteria used to display the clubs. These are the clubs in the Northern New Jersey Square Dancers Associaion. You can see my original way of finding clubs on the home page . You need Javascript turned on for this to work. There seems to be some problems when using MSIE 6.0. It works well with Firefox. Don't know about Opera and earlier versions of MSIE on the PC and MAC. If anyone is interested in how this was done, contact me privately. Ken Robinson _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From Robert.Morris at uboc.com Fri Jun 24 00:02:00 2005 From: Robert.Morris at uboc.com (Robert.Morris at uboc.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:02:00 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Robert Morris/INFOSEC/STIP/UBOC is on vacation Message-ID: I will be out of the office starting 06/17/2005 and will not return until 07/05/2005. If you need help with UNIX see Duncan Taylor 720-2679 I will respond to your message when I return. ****************************************************************************** This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication and/or shred the materials and any attachments and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. Thank you. From stigmalmo at sol.dk Fri Jun 24 04:48:55 2005 From: stigmalmo at sol.dk (stigmalmo at sol.dk) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 10:48:55 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Squaredancing] older convention programmes Message-ID: <859411.1119602935965.JavaMail.root@eni-cpps04.sth.basefarm.net> I am a Caller from Denmark,Europe. I am looking for older National Convention programmes from the 50?s and 60?s, does anyone out there have any?? Stig Malmo LAerke alle 3 2635 Ishoj Denmark E-mail:stigmalmo at sol.dk From ljknews at mac.com Fri Jun 24 17:28:47 2005 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:28:47 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square Dance Clubs/dances In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> Message-ID: At 12:00 AM -0400 6/23/05, Ken Robinson wrote: >You need Javascript turned on for this to work. Around here we have trouble enough dealing with division of the dancer population into two groups - those who use the Internet and those who do not. To me a further division between those willing to risk using Javascript and those who are not is too much. -- Larry Kilgallen From jazzgirl7496 at bellsouth.net Fri Jun 24 17:37:01 2005 From: jazzgirl7496 at bellsouth.net (Sandy Caldwell) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 17:37:01 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square Dance Clubs/dances In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> Message-ID: <42BC7CFD.5050400@bellsouth.net> Don't say that some square dancers don't use the Internet too loudly. Most people think we are hopelessly old and out of touch with real life as it is :-( ljknews wrote: >At 12:00 AM -0400 6/23/05, Ken Robinson wrote: > > > >>You need Javascript turned on for this to work. >> >> > >Around here we have trouble enough dealing with division of the dancer >population into two groups - those who use the Internet and those who >do not. > >To me a further division between those willing to risk using Javascript >and those who are not is too much. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jop1 at comcast.net Sun Jun 26 02:47:51 2005 From: jop1 at comcast.net (Jim) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:47:51 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Interfacing Google Maps and Locating Square Dance Clubs/dances In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> References: <6.2.3.4.2.20050622234847.024f4d08@mail.rbnsn.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050625234544.025a4550@mail.comcast.net> June 25, 2005 Ken, I have not seen a response from you concerning my request on the below matter. I would love to learn how this is done for my web pages. At 09:00 PM 6/22/2005, you wrote: >Hi, > >For the last few weeks while job searching, I've been playing with >customizing (read hacking) Google Maps (maps.google.com) to see if I could >add Square Dance club locations to the maps. > >You can see my initial results at >. Use the menu on the left side >of the page to select the criteria used to display the clubs. These are >the clubs in the Northern New Jersey Square Dancers Associaion. You can >see my original way of finding clubs on the home page . > >You need Javascript turned on for this to work. There seems to be some >problems when using MSIE 6.0. It works well with Firefox. Don't know about >Opera and earlier versions of MSIE on the PC and MAC. > >If anyone is interested in how this was done, contact me privately. > >Ken Robinson > > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com Jim Penrod If it's about square dancing, http://www.penrod-sq-dancing.com From brucemorgan at earthlink.net Mon Jun 27 18:50:08 2005 From: brucemorgan at earthlink.net (Bruce) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:50:08 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention Message-ID: <000201c57b6a$918a31b0$6c01a8c0@Bruce> This is the first year in 12 years that we have missed the National Square Dance Convention. The only reason that we did not go is because it was being held in Portland, OR. It was held in Portland in 1994 and I didn't want to spend my money going to a place we have already been. The same thing holds for the next 2 years; San Antonio and Charlotte. I plan on going in 2008. I was just wondering who won the bid for 2009. If anybody on here is back from the National in Portland please let us know who won. Thanks, Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com Mon Jun 27 19:02:50 2005 From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:02:50 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention In-Reply-To: <000201c57b6a$918a31b0$6c01a8c0@Bruce> References: <000201c57b6a$918a31b0$6c01a8c0@Bruce> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050627185655.06513ea0@mail.rbnsn.com> At 06:50 PM 6/27/2005, Bruce wrote: >This is the first year in 12 years that we have missed the National >Square Dance Convention. The only reason that we did not go is >because it was being held in Portland, OR. It was held in Portland >in 1994 and I didn't want to spend my money going to a place we have >already been. The same thing holds for the next 2 years; San >Antonio and Charlotte. > That's one of the reasons were hoping to go because we were there in 1994 and really enjoyed ourselves. Unfortunately, we had to cancel, since I lost my job on June 2nd and Helena's health has been declining lately. (Helena has been unemployed for 3 years). We hope to be able to make the next few, if our finances improve and Helena is able to travel. >I plan on going in 2008. > >I was just wondering who won the bid for 2009. If anybody on here >is back from the National in Portland please let us know who won. There was only one city bidding for 2009, Long Beach, CA. According to Portland's web site they won the bid. They also announced the final attendance was 8006. Ken Robinson From brucemorgan at earthlink.net Mon Jun 27 19:06:25 2005 From: brucemorgan at earthlink.net (Bruce) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:06:25 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20050627185655.06513ea0@mail.rbnsn.com> Message-ID: <001101c57b6c$d7bf4c90$6c01a8c0@Bruce> Thanks, Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Ken Robinson Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:03 PM To: This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] National Convention At 06:50 PM 6/27/2005, Bruce wrote: >This is the first year in 12 years that we have missed the National >Square Dance Convention. The only reason that we did not go is >because it was being held in Portland, OR. It was held in Portland >in 1994 and I didn't want to spend my money going to a place we have >already been. The same thing holds for the next 2 years; San >Antonio and Charlotte. > That's one of the reasons were hoping to go because we were there in 1994 and really enjoyed ourselves. Unfortunately, we had to cancel, since I lost my job on June 2nd and Helena's health has been declining lately. (Helena has been unemployed for 3 years). We hope to be able to make the next few, if our finances improve and Helena is able to travel. >I plan on going in 2008. > >I was just wondering who won the bid for 2009. If anybody on here >is back from the National in Portland please let us know who won. There was only one city bidding for 2009, Long Beach, CA. According to Portland's web site they won the bid. They also announced the final attendance was 8006. Ken Robinson _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From dave at daveswebplace.net Mon Jun 27 19:13:25 2005 From: dave at daveswebplace.net (dave.hinde) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:13:25 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention In-Reply-To: <000201c57b6a$918a31b0$6c01a8c0@Bruce> Message-ID: <1119914010_2444@rcmdxmail02> Portland is one city that I'd want to go back to. The area out there is beautiful. I spent 10 days in the Northwest and could easily spend another 10. The convention itself went very well. It was a vast improvement over last year in Denver. It's unfortunate that many stayed away because of bad experiences last year. There was also a tremendous increase in the number of solo dancers. They had ordered 1000 solo ribbons and ran out very early. It seemed there were just as many solos without ribbons, or with makeshift ribbons, as those that had the ribbons. Next year I hope they have 2000! Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://www.daveswebplace.net _____ From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 6:50 PM To: Square Dance Group Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention This is the first year in 12 years that we have missed the National Square Dance Convention. The only reason that we did not go is because it was being held in Portland, OR. It was held in Portland in 1994 and I didn't want to spend my money going to a place we have already been. The same thing holds for the next 2 years; San Antonio and Charlotte. I plan on going in 2008. I was just wondering who won the bid for 2009. If anybody on here is back from the National in Portland please let us know who won. Thanks, Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Asdsc at aol.com Mon Jun 27 19:45:54 2005 From: Asdsc at aol.com (Asdsc at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:45:54 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention Message-ID: <1ed.3ebfb629.2ff1e9b2@aol.com> Bruce ... Long Beach California won the bid for the 2009 Convention, and we are thrilled!! Bonnie Abramson Sacramento, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htrost at onlinehome.de Mon Jun 27 20:56:45 2005 From: htrost at onlinehome.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 02:56:45 +0200 Subject: My NSDC report was Re: [Squaredancing] National Convention In-Reply-To: <000201c57b6a$918a31b0$6c01a8c0@Bruce> References: <000201c57b6a$918a31b0$6c01a8c0@Bruce> Message-ID: <42C0A04D.5090105@onlinehome.de> Bruce, > I was just wondering who won the bid for 2009. If anybody on here is > back from the National in Portland please let us know who won. well, this time everybody could read in the program book who was bidding for 2009: Long Beach, CA BTW: 1. Final registration at the 54th in Portland: 8007 people 2. Fortunately in Portland all halls were real halls, no sound conflicts between the halls. Also for the seminar rooms: No sound conflicts between seminar rooms. This was much better than at the 53rd NSDC last year. 3. replaceing the singles hall through several "solo-corners" in the larger halls worked well. 4. Education seminars and panels were mostly overcrowded. 5. On Friday morning there were a few short takes about the convention at breakfast T.V on channel 8 6. The voluntary staff did a very well job, nevertheless there were additional voluntairs needen through the whole convention. 7. International hospitality team (Ginny and her staff) was very active, supportive and helpful. There also were food, coffee, tea, giveaways and doorprices. Romm was decorated nice. (At an NSDC the International hospitality is needed as a place to relax and feel a bit like home for us International attendees. In Portland it was done very well. Thank you so much! 8. As expected: The hall where A 1 was danced (just double size of a seminar room) was too small, it was overcrowded by people who would like to dance A 1 all the time. Often A1 dancers sit out somewhere because there wasn`t enough space to dance A 1. Same time the hall where Challenge was called (ar. double size of the hall with the A1-schedule) most time was filled one third or the half. 9. Huge problems were with the floor of the small halls in the seminar area (scheduled for: contra, clinics, youth, clogging, A 1, C,etc.) and with all of the round dance halls: The carpet in these halls/rooms was so thick and soft, that the applied wooden panels (which also looked to be thinner than at other NSDCs I attended) sank into the carpet, so the edges bent and dancers struggled/plunged. At the dance rooms of the seminar area (except the room for clogging) then the wooden panels were removed after the first dance hours and accidents. At the round dance halls only the dance part of the (double sized) hall phase III-IV got an additional black (plastic?) lay-over floor, the phase II-III and phase V-VI halls had to dance on the problematic wooden panels. Too bad: It was announced that on Saturday evening all four round dance halls should be one huge dance floor (like it was done so well at the "Golden Ball" at 50th NSDC in Anaheim, CA). But depending on the different floor situation (old, bad wooden panel floor at both ends and around the center of the schedueled huge hall, danceable black overlay in the center) through the evening program instead of one huge floor they just removed the doors between the halls, so there were three dance floors danceing to one of the stages. 10. "Plus with rounds" was scheduled in hall E, which was located beside the vendors hall, far away from the other big dance halls. And so most time there only were a very few number of squares, often I saw just two or three squares there, while the big dance halls (Mainstream with rounds, Plus, A-2) which were much closer located to the entrance of the Convention Center were filled at least well. 11. Also sad: The only hall which was visible from people of the street, located in the dried ice-rink in the middle of the Lloyds center shopping mall was crowded from dancer only once: When the outside dancers parade took a few hundred dancers from the Convention Center to the Lloyds center on Friday early afternoon. At most other times through the Convention (the ice-rink was scheduled Thursday till Saturday from 10am till 10 pm with Mainstream (each hour 50 minutes MS, followed by 10 minutes rounds, and included daily 45minutes clogging)) there were only ar. six squares. This nevertheless there was the fare-free and clean Max tram to connect Convention Center and Lloyds Center. 12. The A-1 hall, where A 2 was scheduled was much to large for the number of squares, too. 13. The round dance introduction this time was scheduled in the seminar area on Friday afternoon. So it was done on that thick and soft carpet. The room was much too small for the high number of dancers who tried to attend the RD intro. The presenter started with waltz, he quickly introduced to figures done from varsouviane and skirt skater position which usually arent taught in a regular actually phase II RD class,- and then he switched to 2-step up to double hitch which he sold with its former outdated name "hitch 6". This all in less than 90 minutes. The sad thing: After this RD intro I talked with several dancers who never tried to dance rounds before and I always got the answer that this RD intro was much too heavy for them and with a "I tried now, but sorry, Round dance is not my thing!" or so they left the room frustated. Was nice to meet a lot of dancers again. Just my two cents, Heinz Heinz D. Trost Stuttgart, Germany From cmbaker at tiac.net Tue Jun 28 00:20:10 2005 From: cmbaker at tiac.net (Clark Baker) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:20:10 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention trip report Message-ID: Having just returned from the National Convention in Portland, OR I thought I would give you my impressions. Having attended the last 3, Laura and I knew what to expect and how to pace ourselves. The attendance was slightly over 8000 with is in line with recent conventions. This year we stayed with friends and took public transportation back and forth. The weather was great and other than not being able to return "home" and change for the evening we did fine. We ere also able to take the Tri-Met (light rail) from the airport to their house. Portland has great public transportation. The convention center was great. I danced Mainstream, Plus, A1, C1, C2, Contra, and Advanced Contra. I also visited the exhibitors. I was aware of, but did not attend any rounds, seminars, panels, youth, A2, C3, or exhibition dancing. All of this was in the same building with reasonable air conditioning. The large halls had polished concrete which can be a killer but I had proper shoes -- I had sneakers with good arch support and suede glued to the bottom. This also worked the small halls which started out with masonite panels taped together on top of carpet and later changed to carpet. Sound isolation was perfect. I found the sound some of the best we have had. In the large halls they used the house speakers! These were of high quality and gave continuous coverage from high in the ceiling. I often danced in the back or on the sides and had fine sound. There were a few callers who cracked the sound up too loud and a few who used the music up/down knob too often and too aggressively. However, the sound was very good. It seemed to me that more "big name" callers supported this convention than usual. I noticed that the youth hall was able to snag some of them which is a good thing. While I didn't participate in the youth hall this year, and while I have problems with some of the rules under which it must be run, I understand that they did a great job this year. I spent a reasonable amount of time in the contra hall. While I am a big fan of contras, what is presented at the National Convention (and at Callerlab) is not the same as I encounter at home (and in cities I visit when I travel). The National has to cater to dancers who may not do contra very often, and to square dancers who wonder in to see what it is all about. This year there was no live music. I often fault the recorded music for not having strong phrasing and for being played too fast. We had some of these problems this year. That said, I was able to dance with lots of people new to contra, and did enjoy the dancing I did. I appreciated that this year we did not have the Contra 101, 201, and 301 teaching sessions. In general contra is easy enough that I should be able to bring any dancer to a contra dance and have them dancing without lots of instruction. Square dancers are used to instruction and may be reluctant to dance without attending 101, 201, 301, etc., but this year showed that it isn't necessary. Also this year we had 3 hours each night of advanced contra. Attendance was at the threshold of critical mass, but the dancing we did was fun. I hope they schedule this again. I also hope that they can get some live music, perhaps in the evenings. It would also be great if there was some way to get contra dancers from the local community to participate, perhaps charging them $10 per evening. There were ~40 from Taiwan. On the Wednesday evening trail end dances there was no clogging and some of them only knew how to clog. They were welcome in the contra hall and we got many of them dancing. We saw them at other times during the convention. Every night from 9-11pm I led Hexagon dancing in the back of the Plus hall. Having done this for several Nationals there are enough Hex dancers that we can usually get enough. Several times we had two Hex's going at the same time (with Scott Byers leading the other hex). New dancers are always welcome and we were able to incorporate several new to hex. Unknown to me, the convention scheduled a seminar on Hexagon dancing at which they covered 3 forms of 6 couples in a square. When I poked my head in they had 5 or 6 hexs up. In general the National is not able to allow visitors in to watch or participate in our dancing. Some years they offer visitor badges for $10 (or so). This year they had another Mainstream hall in the skating rink inside a large mall (2 stops away on the light-rail (a free ride)). This allowed the public to watch us dance. The one time I was there they didn't have many dancers but I believe there were other times when there was a large crowd. I though this was a clever solution to allowing the public to see us and at the same time cover the insurance issues. The other event open to the public was the watching the horses square dance! They had two squares of horses (western saddle) with riders (partners wore matching western shirts) dancing a selection of Mainstream and Plus calls. In addition to the usual circle figures, I remember swing thru, boys run, wheel and deal, and spin chain thru. In addition they did a two square version of Venus And Mars stars. From 6-7pm each evening was Youth calling. These kids from 8 (perhaps younger) to 16 would each do a singing call and we probably had 15 of them each night. The support they received was outstanding and I expect you will be hearing more about some of them in the future. -- Clark Baker, Belmont, MA cmbaker at tiac.net From miatax at comcast.net Tue Jun 28 12:09:22 2005 From: miatax at comcast.net (miatax at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 16:09:22 +0000 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention Message-ID: <062820051609.9963.42C1763200057922000026EB2200750438980E9B0E0703@comcast.net> Long Beach, CA - the only bidder. -------------- Original message -------------- This is the first year in 12 years that we have missed the National Square Dance Convention. The only reason that we did not go is because it was being held in Portland, OR. It was held in Portland in 1994 and I didn?t want to spend my money going to a place we have already been. The same thing holds for the next 2 years; San Antonio and Charlotte. I plan on going in 2008. I was just wondering who won the bid for 2009. If anybody on here is back from the National in Portland please let us know who won. Thanks, Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Bruce" Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 22:50:45 +0000 Size: 680 URL: From cmbaker at tiac.net Tue Jun 28 12:59:10 2005 From: cmbaker at tiac.net (Clark Baker) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 12:59:10 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention In-Reply-To: <1119914010_2444@rcmdxmail02> References: <1119914010_2444@rcmdxmail02> Message-ID: On Jun 27, 2005, at 7:13 PM, dave.hinde wrote: > There was also a tremendous increase in the?number of solo dancers.? > They had ordered 1000 solo ribbons and ran out very early.? It seemed > there were just as many solos without ribbons, or with makeshift > ribbons, as those that had the ribbons.? Next year I hope they have > 2000! The "solo scene" seemed very good. I usually did not have my daughter as a partner (as she was off dancing with her friends) so I was by myself. I had no problems getting partners. That said, I am a caller (though wasn't calling at the convention), and I am good at getting partners -- Clark Baker, Belmont, MA cmbaker at tiac.net From ljknews at mac.com Tue Jun 28 13:07:48 2005 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:07:48 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention In-Reply-To: References: <1119914010_2444@rcmdxmail02> Message-ID: At 12:59 PM -0400 6/28/05, Clark Baker wrote: > I had no problems getting partners. That said, I am a caller (though > wasn't calling at the convention), and I am good at getting partners Perhaps because people know you. I have found the generalization "callers can dance" does not always hold :-) -- Larry Kilgallen From cmbaker at tiac.net Tue Jun 28 13:22:10 2005 From: cmbaker at tiac.net (Clark Baker) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:22:10 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9495a857fbe014779a8d5937f4cf14f9@tiac.net> On Jun 28, 2005, at 12:20 AM, Clark Baker wrote: > Having just returned from the National Convention in Portland, OR I > thought I would give you my impressions. And I forgot to mention two important topics -- solos and clothing. Unlike previous (recent) years, there was no solo hall or rainbow room. Each large hall had a solo area where solos could congregate and find each other. I did see lots of people with solo ribbons and I never had a problem finding a partner. I have some advantages as I know a lot of callers and am comfortable asking their spouse to dance, and I also know many in my daughter's circle of friends and dance with them. Also, there is a large collection of people I have seen in previous years and at other events. Finally, I often will ask those from other countries. Bottom line, getting partners wasn't a problem. I am not a big fan of the dress code stuff. I did my usual which was to wear a t-shirt with a dance theme (usually a NEFFA t-shirt (see http://www.neffa.org/What_is_Festival.html) and long pants. I believe this is appropriate attire for contra dancing (as it is what they wear at the local Portland contra dances). I also danced square dressed like this. I was never given a second look by those checking badges at the doors. Normally I change into a western shirt for the evening sessions. However, Thursday someone knocked over a large coffee which soaked into my shoe bag, getting all over the bag, my shirt for the evening, my jacket, my program book, and my dance shoes. I was not happy. I washed everything and set them out to dry in each room I danced in (airing my laundry?). I did not wear the shirt that night. Saturday I never got around to changing, either. So I was able to dance dressed as I wanted to. That said, I did encounter one person who is better known than I who was told that she couldn't dance squares dressed as she was (not in square dance clothes), but dressed up (she had been working a vendor booth). I would have been happy having her in my square and think it is too bad she was not allowed in. -- Clark Baker, Belmont, MA cmbaker at tiac.net From Anniebplus at aol.com Tue Jun 28 14:00:33 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:00:33 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report Message-ID: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/2005 10:22:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cmbaker at tiac.net writes: I did encounter one person who is better known than I who was told that she couldn't dance squares dressed as she was (not in square dance clothes), but dressed up (she had been working a vendor booth). This was one of the things the Tony Oxendine brought up at a recent seminar. He feels that we are chasing away new dancers by requiring them to look a certain way. We have lost 80% of dancers in the past 20 years. We have to do anything and everything we can to attract new dancers and closing the door in their face because they aren't dressed properly is not the way to do it. Anne Barker Phoenix, AZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jazzgirl7496 at bellsouth.net Tue Jun 28 14:06:03 2005 From: jazzgirl7496 at bellsouth.net (Sandy Caldwell) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:06:03 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> References: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> Message-ID: <42C1918B.3020903@bellsouth.net> The last time we sent to the National Convention, we had to choose between dancing and visiting some of the sites. If we wanted to do both, we either had to change clothes in our van, or just dance in the challenge halls. We were staying too far away to run back during the day. We didn't get to do as much dancing as we would have without the dress codes. I need to learn to ignore the rules, I think. Sandy Anniebplus at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/28/2005 10:22:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cmbaker at tiac.net writes: > > I did encounter one person who is better known than I who > was told that she couldn't dance squares dressed as she was (not in > square dance clothes), but dressed up (she had been working a vendor > booth). > > This was one of the things the Tony Oxendine brought up at a recent > seminar. He feels that we are chasing away new dancers by requiring > them to look a certain way. We have lost 80% of dancers in the past > 20 years. We have to do anything and everything we can to attract new > dancers and closing the door in their face because they aren't dressed > properly is not the way to do it. > > > Anne Barker > Phoenix, AZ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ljknews at mac.com Tue Jun 28 14:06:50 2005 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:06:50 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> References: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> Message-ID: At 2:00 PM -0400 6/28/05, Anniebplus at aol.com wrote: > This was one of the things the Tony Oxendine brought up at a recent > seminar. He feels that we are chasing away new dancers by requiring > them to look a certain way. We have lost 80% of dancers in the past > 20 years. We have to do anything and everything we can to attract > new dancers and closing the door in their face because they aren't > dressed properly is not the way to do it. Not everybody is chasing people away with such rules. But National Convention is. I have no desire to support them, despite Clark's protestations that famous callers don't get harassed. Luckily there are plenty of places to square dance without going to National Convention. -- Larry Kilgallen From bvanhoesen at earthlink.net Tue Jun 28 15:34:14 2005 From: bvanhoesen at earthlink.net (Bill Van Hoesen) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 14:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention References: <1119914010_2444@rcmdxmail02> Message-ID: <002c01c57c18$611b0ff0$6401a8c0@Seaview> I resemble that generalized remark! It may be true, but I still resemble it, don'tcha know. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "ljknews" To: "This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD" Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] National Convention : At 12:59 PM -0400 6/28/05, Clark Baker wrote: : : > I had no problems getting partners. That said, I am a caller (though : > wasn't calling at the convention), and I am good at getting partners : : Perhaps because people know you. : : I have found the generalization "callers can dance" does not always hold :-) : -- : Larry Kilgallen : : _______________________________________________ : Squaredancing mailing list : Squaredancing at rbnsn.com : http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com : From BOBBSHARP at aol.com Tue Jun 28 18:23:52 2005 From: BOBBSHARP at aol.com (BOBBSHARP at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:23:52 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] National Convention trip report Message-ID: <1dc.3fa24094.2ff327f8@aol.com> Very nice comprehensive report Clark - thank you for that. Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htrost at onlinehome.de Tue Jun 28 19:01:44 2005 From: htrost at onlinehome.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:01:44 +0200 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> References: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> Message-ID: <42C1D6D8.7050809@onlinehome.de> Anne et al, > I did encounter one person who is better known than I who > was told that she couldn't dance squares dressed as she was (not in > square dance clothes), but dressed up (she had been working a vendor > booth). > > This was one of the things the Tony Oxendine brought up at a recent > seminar. He feels that we are chasing away new dancers by requiring > them to look a certain way. We have lost 80% of dancers in the past 20 > years. We have to do anything and everything we can to attract new > dancers and closing the door in their face because they aren't dressed > properly is not the way to do it. yes. Absolutely. In the seminars of all of the last few Nationals we were taught that one of the winning ways to get more new dancers is that we should announce our open houses and classes with the remark: "No special clothing necessary" and that dancers should be permitted to wear what they'd have in their closet/wardrobe. Yes, that will bring new dancers into the classes,- and then after they became graduated we tell them that they'll need to buy the expensive, warm, uncomfortable and outdated attire of the 50's just to attend the halls of NSDC's and other dances because the NEC and dance organisers still requests "Traditional attire". No wonder why we're also be taught in the seminars that we lose most new dancers the day after graduation... There is only a limited number of people in the community who are willing to spend (some of) their spare time at dance lessons and dancing. And so we have to compete with regular ballroom classes and -clubs, freestyle dances, and schools of Salsa and Tango Argentine. No of them forces their dancers into a special attire. People are used to wear what they feel comfortable in. Also especcially at Salsa dance schools people just pay for lessons and workshops, but practise dances and dances mostly are free. Also we all compete with peoples living room with the couch, chips, beer bottle and cable/satelite TV plus remote control where absolute no attire is necessary... Heinz DH8SAH Germany From htrost at onlinehome.de Tue Jun 28 19:19:42 2005 From: htrost at onlinehome.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 01:19:42 +0200 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: References: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> Message-ID: <42C1DB0E.3050703@onlinehome.de> Larry et al, > But National Convention is. > > I have no desire to support them, despite Clark's protestations that > famous callers don't get harassed. > > Luckily there are plenty of places to square dance without going to > National Convention. yes, but unfortunately as long as the Nationals still forces people into "Traditional attire" most other special dances also will still require that, too. Same appears to lots of regular club dance nights, nevertheless no other kind of dance forces its dancers to wear special attire at practise hours (including the competive ballroom dancers who usually wear just a body, jogging suit or jeans and T-shirt at training and at the warm-up before the competition tips run. The NSDC's have to go first to remove their attire rules to "optional". That's like in Summer in a hot room at club dance night everybody would like to roll up the sleeves of the long shirts but wait nervouse until the president/vicepresident will start to do so. Or at an official ball everybody will sweat until the host will undress his jacket... And almost nobody will hold the old rule which says that a man have to wear his jacket until the woman undresses her dress. Heinz Germany From Anniebplus at aol.com Tue Jun 28 20:00:42 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:00:42 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report Message-ID: <141.4840a1fd.2ff33eaa@aol.com> In a message dated 6/28/2005 4:00:08 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, htrost at onlinehome.de writes: Also we all compete with peoples living room with the couch, chips, beer bottle and cable/satelite TV plus remote control where absolute no attire is necessary... This was another point that Tony Oxendine made. He doesn't see anything wrong with people being able to have a drink at a dance. This was something I don't agree with. I think one of the things that got me hooked on square/round dancing was the fact that there was no smoke and no alcohol. Just unadulterated fun! But, although I thoroughly enjoy dancing with a skirt and petticoats, these are things that should not be a necessity for new dancers. Especially in the summer in AZ, where I'm located. And, special events shouldn't say, "square dance attire required" because that will surely avert the newbie, who doesn't have square dance attire. Anne Phoenix, AZ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anniebplus at aol.com Tue Jun 28 20:03:38 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:03:38 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report Message-ID: <216.3ad48c0.2ff33f5a@aol.com> Maybe someone should point out the drop in attendance at these conventions to the NSDC. It's a little like homeowners associations who think they are almighty. What good is an organization that no one belongs to? Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htrost at onlinehome.de Tue Jun 28 20:32:30 2005 From: htrost at onlinehome.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:32:30 +0200 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <141.4840a1fd.2ff33eaa@aol.com> References: <141.4840a1fd.2ff33eaa@aol.com> Message-ID: <42C1EC1E.1040905@onlinehome.de> Anne et al, > This was another point that Tony Oxendine made. He doesn't see anything > wrong with people being able to have a drink at a dance. well, I know that Tony O. likes alcohol and the landlord where Tony and Jerry stayed for years when they called in our area told me that she filled up the bar of the hotel every evening, went to sleep, and then every morning she had to get up early before first breakfast guest to put away the bottles which they emptied in the nights after the dance. > This was > something I don't agree with. I think one of the things that got me > hooked on square/round dancing was the fact that there was no smoke and > no alcohol. Just unadulterated fun! yes, and that is one reason why we can get nonsmokers, dried addicted drinkers and other health-improvy people to the classes and dances which avoid regular ballroom lessons and -dances because of the smoke. > But, although I thoroughly enjoy dancing with a skirt and petticoats, > these are things that should not be a necessity for new dancers. > Especially in the summer in AZ, where I'm located. And, special events > shouldn't say, "square dance attire required" because that will surely > avert the newbie, who doesn't have square dance attire. That's absolutely right. In the 50's Petticoats and so were "in" at all dances which attracted young people. But all other kinds of dance, including Rock'n Roll updated their attire and made it optional or switched to casual,- except SD. Heinz From brucemorgan at earthlink.net Tue Jun 28 20:37:45 2005 From: brucemorgan at earthlink.net (Bruce) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:37:45 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <216.3ad48c0.2ff33f5a@aol.com> Message-ID: <002801c57c42$c4c15ee0$6e01a8c0@Bruce> You mean point it out to the NEC (National Executive Committee). The NSDC is the convention itself. That is just a one year thing and then another state takes it over. The NEC is the organization that runs the Conventions. Bruce -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Anniebplus at aol.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:04 PM To: Squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report Maybe someone should point out the drop in attendance at these conventions to the NSDC. It's a little like homeowners associations who think they are almighty. What good is an organization that no one belongs to? Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Anniebplus at aol.com Tue Jun 28 20:41:44 2005 From: Anniebplus at aol.com (Anniebplus at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:41:44 EDT Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report Message-ID: Excuse my ignorance. I guess I meant the NEC. However, the same sentiment stands. They could find themselves making rules that no one is going to follow because their's no one there to follow them. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, in the same way, and expecting different results. Anne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com Tue Jun 28 22:15:08 2005 From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:15:08 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: [sd-callers] NPR All Things Considered piece on Gay & Lesbian Square Dancing in Chicago Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20050628221223.04f99b88@mail.rbnsn.com> For those of you who have not seen this on other lists. It's a GREAT radio spot. This was posted on the Callers list by Andy Shore. Ken > From NPR - Gay & Lesbian Square dancing in Chicago > > >People & Places >Chicago Dance Club Lures Suburbanites >http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4721989 > >June 28, 2005 ? If you live in the Chicago area >and you are interested in square-dancing, there >are many clubs you might join. When commentator >Angeli Primlani wants to go dancing, she hooks >up with a club called the Chi-Town Squares. The >members are mostly gay men, but recently, groups >of older straight couples from the suburbs have >started showing up at their dances. From ljknews at mac.com Tue Jun 28 23:52:43 2005 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 23:52:43 -0400 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <42C1DB0E.3050703@onlinehome.de> References: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> <42C1DB0E.3050703@onlinehome.de> Message-ID: At 1:19 AM +0200 6/29/05, Heinz D. Trost wrote: >Larry et al, > >> But National Convention is. >> I have no desire to support them, despite Clark's protestations that >> famous callers don't get harassed. >> Luckily there are plenty of places to square dance without going to >> National Convention. > > yes, but unfortunately as long as the Nationals still forces people into > "Traditional attire" most other special dances also will still require that, I am not convinced. I know _1_ non-caller couple who has been to the National Convention in recent years. I think square dancing around New England is more influenced by neighboring clubs than by National events. > The NSDC's have to go first to remove their attire rules to "optional". > That's like in Summer in a hot room at club dance night everybody would > like to roll up the sleeves of the long shirts but wait nervouse until > the president/vicepresident will start to do so. Or at an official ball > everybody will sweat until the host will undress his jacket... We will have to agree that we disagree. -- Larry Kilgallen From lfc32 at earthlink.net Wed Jun 29 12:29:00 2005 From: lfc32 at earthlink.net (Loren Castro) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:29:00 -0700 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: [sd-callers] National Convention trip report In-Reply-To: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> References: <111.4d14a08a.2ff2ea41@aol.com> Message-ID: <42C2CC4C.4090802@earthlink.net> I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Square dance leaders need to decide soon whether they want costumes or dancers. lfc ----- Anniebplus at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 6/28/2005 10:22:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cmbaker at tiac.net writes: > > I did encounter one person who is better known than I who > was told that she couldn't dance squares dressed as she was (not in > square dance clothes), but dressed up (she had been working a vendor > booth). > > This was one of the things the Tony Oxendine brought up at a recent > seminar. He feels that we are chasing away new dancers by requiring > them to look a certain way. We have lost 80% of dancers in the past > 20 years. We have to do anything and everything we can to attract new > dancers and closing the door in their face because they aren't dressed > properly is not the way to do it. > > > Anne Barker > Phoenix, AZ > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.4/31 - Release Date: 6/27/2005 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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