From dave at daveswebplace.net Thu Feb 2 13:59:34 2006 From: dave at daveswebplace.net (Dave Hinde) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:59:34 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: <40ce97a1b3a32523bdd1af6b9f1a48e6@tiac.net> Message-ID: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good advertising, but not last night. Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show last night went too far. Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the programming director. Just my 2 cents, Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM To: sd-callers at all8.com; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; challenge-sd at all8.com; CALLERLAB Home Office Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it is cross posted). -- Clark Begin forwarded message: > WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) > DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 > TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) > TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS > ? > Hi All, > ? > The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is > schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm > Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode > (starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end > on page 40). > ? > The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in > the Family) is an avid square dancer. > ? > ". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's > a fabulous workout . . . " > ? > The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode > and see. > ? > If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. > ? > There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is > teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally > flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a > screeching halt. > ? > I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene > (although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped > altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). > ? > Happy viewing. > ? > Cheers - - - Paul > ? > Paul Waters > 12344 Addison St. > Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 > Paul_Waters at msn.com > ? > ? > P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of > traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on > the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: > ? > "Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody > sail!" > ? > I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently > passed away from an untimely death. And for some unexplained reason, > this is my strongest and most persistent memory of this laudable icon > of the square dance movement --- and now a key element of both this > episode, and its associated outtake. _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From dave at daveswebplace.net Thu Feb 2 14:04:03 2006 From: dave at daveswebplace.net (Dave Hinde) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:04:03 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> Message-ID: <20060202190416.KNKC14098.eastrmmtao05.cox.net@home3500> One more piece of information I just dug up -- The show Still Standing takes place in Chicago, Illinois. I found this about Illinois, on the internet: In 1990, Governor Thompson signed into law a bill designating the Square Dance as the American folk dance of the State. Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:00 PM To: 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good advertising, but not last night. Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show last night went too far. Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the programming director. Just my 2 cents, Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM To: sd-callers at all8.com; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; challenge-sd at all8.com; CALLERLAB Home Office Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it is cross posted). -- Clark Begin forwarded message: > WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) > DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 > TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) > TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS > ? > Hi All, > ? > The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is > schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm > Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode > (starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end > on page 40). > ? > The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in > the Family) is an avid square dancer. > ? > ". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's > a fabulous workout . . . " > ? > The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode > and see. > ? > If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. > ? > There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is > teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally > flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a > screeching halt. > ? > I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene > (although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped > altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). > ? > Happy viewing. > ? > Cheers - - - Paul > ? > Paul Waters > 12344 Addison St. > Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 > Paul_Waters at msn.com > ? > ? > P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of > traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on > the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: > ? > "Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody > sail!" > ? > I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently > passed away from an untimely death. And for some unexplained reason, > this is my strongest and most persistent memory of this laudable icon > of the square dance movement --- and now a key element of both this > episode, and its associated outtake. _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From LKJ at DJJ.com Thu Feb 2 14:10:58 2006 From: LKJ at DJJ.com (Linda Jones - LKJ) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:10:58 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk Message-ID: I didn't see it. Did know about it ahead of time and don't watch the show. What was so bad? Linda K. Jones Payroll Manager The David J. Joseph Company Employee Services * 513-419-6073 > * lkj at djj.com >fax 513-419-6235 -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 PM To: dave at daveswebplace.net; 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk One more piece of information I just dug up -- The show Still Standing takes place in Chicago, Illinois. I found this about Illinois, on the internet: In 1990, Governor Thompson signed into law a bill designating the Square Dance as the American folk dance of the State. Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:00 PM To: 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good advertising, but not last night. Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show last night went too far. Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the programming director. Just my 2 cents, Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM To: sd-callers at all8.com; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; challenge-sd at all8.com; CALLERLAB Home Office Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it is cross posted). -- Clark Begin forwarded message: > WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) > DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 > TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) > TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS > ? > Hi All, > ? > The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is > schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm > Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode > (starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end > on page 40). > ? > The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in > the Family) is an avid square dancer. > ? > ". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's > a fabulous workout . . . " > ? > The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode > and see. > ? > If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. > ? > There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is > teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally > flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a > screeching halt. > ? > I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene > (although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped > altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). > ? > Happy viewing. > ? > Cheers - - - Paul > ? > Paul Waters > 12344 Addison St. > Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 > Paul_Waters at msn.com > ? > ? > P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of > traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on > the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: > ? > "Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody > sail!" > ? > I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently > passed away from an untimely death. And for some unexplained reason, > this is my strongest and most persistent memory of this laudable icon > of the square dance movement --- and now a key element of both this > episode, and its associated outtake. _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From dave at daveswebplace.net Thu Feb 2 14:26:37 2006 From: dave at daveswebplace.net (Dave Hinde) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:26:37 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060202192646.YOVO4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> Lot's of things bad about the image. The general premise of the show was that Brian Miller couldn't pass the wall climb in gym class, so he was being sent to square dancing where all the other "losers" went. They referred to square dancing as something that only geeks and senior citizens did. They also said that every year the square dance class did their recital in the gym so the other students could throw garbage at them from the stands. Brian's parents even made sure the bag of garbage his sister was carrying didn't have anything too hard in it. Right now I don't have the capability to convert my VHS to digital, or I'd put a few clips where they could be viewed for those that missed the program. I'd preface it with "Reasons not to watch Still Standing". BTW, CBS.Com has a feedback page. The link is at the bottom of the main CBS page. The page has a dropdown list of TV shows you are writing about. I suggest anyone who saw the program go there and offer criticism. Don't just blast them, offer corrections to the miss information that was used in the show. Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Linda Jones - LKJ [mailto:LKJ at DJJ.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:11 PM To: 'dave at daveswebplace.net'; 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk I didn't see it. Did know about it ahead of time and don't watch the show. What was so bad? Linda K. Jones Payroll Manager The David J. Joseph Company Employee Services * 513-419-6073 > * lkj at djj.com >fax 513-419-6235 -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 PM To: dave at daveswebplace.net; 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk One more piece of information I just dug up -- The show Still Standing takes place in Chicago, Illinois. I found this about Illinois, on the internet: In 1990, Governor Thompson signed into law a bill designating the Square Dance as the American folk dance of the State. Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:00 PM To: 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good advertising, but not last night. Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show last night went too far. Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the programming director. Just my 2 cents, Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM To: sd-callers at all8.com; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; challenge-sd at all8.com; CALLERLAB Home Office Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it is cross posted). -- Clark Begin forwarded message: > WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) > DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 > TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) > TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS > ? > Hi All, > ? > The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is > schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm > Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode > (starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end > on page 40). > ? > The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in > the Family) is an avid square dancer. > ? > ". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's > a fabulous workout . . . " > ? > The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode > and see. > ? > If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. > ? > There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is > teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally > flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a > screeching halt. > ? > I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene > (although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped > altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). > ? > Happy viewing. > ? > Cheers - - - Paul > ? > Paul Waters > 12344 Addison St. > Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 > Paul_Waters at msn.com > ? > ? > P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of > traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on > the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: > ? > "Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody > sail!" > ? > I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently > passed away from an untimely death. And for some unexplained reason, > this is my strongest and most persistent memory of this laudable icon > of the square dance movement --- and now a key element of both this > episode, and its associated outtake. _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From jazzgirl7496 at bellsouth.net Thu Feb 2 14:26:49 2006 From: jazzgirl7496 at bellsouth.net (Sandy Caldwell) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:26:49 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43E25CF9.1030105@bellsouth.net> It's was a rare Wednesday night home, so I watched it. I had never heard of the program, but the presentation about square dancing didn't surprise me. People think of square dancing as something done by old people in funny clothes. Since that's mostly true, what else can we expect. There are very few people outside of square dancing that know any differently and they may all be related to square dancers. I don't wear "funny" clothes to dance anymore, but teens will definitely think I'm old, even if I don't. The program didn't make fun of square dancing as much as it just made it appear as an activity for older people, not teenagers. They were comparing it to climbing a rope to go over a wall. We aren't likely to look very athletic in that context. I thought the portrayal of the teen boy was even worse than that of the grandmother square dancer. Sandy Atlanta Linda Jones - LKJ wrote: >I didn't see it. Did know about it ahead of time and don't watch the show. >What was so bad? > >Linda K. Jones >Payroll Manager >The David J. Joseph Company >Employee Services > * 513-419-6073 > > >>* lkj at djj.com >>fax 513-419-6235 >> >> > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com >[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde >Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 PM >To: dave at daveswebplace.net; 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' >Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing >"Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk > > >One more piece of information I just dug up -- The show Still Standing takes >place in Chicago, Illinois. I found this about Illinois, on the internet: >In 1990, Governor Thompson signed into law a bill designating the Square >Dance as the American folk dance of the State. > >Dave Hinde >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net >/O____O_| http://evadsti.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com >[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde >Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:00 PM >To: 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' >Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing >"Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk > >I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. >The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to >square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good >advertising, but not last night. > >Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and >remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national >dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of >many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any >other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's >one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show >last night went too far. > >Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a >letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good >addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the >programming director. > >Just my 2 cents, > >Dave Hinde >-------------------------------------------------------------------- > __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net >/O____O_| http://evadsti.net > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com >[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker >Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM >To: sd-callers at all8.com; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; >challenge-sd at all8.com; CALLERLAB Home Office >Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still >Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk > >I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to >places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it >is cross posted). -- Clark > >Begin forwarded message: > > > >>WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) >>DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 >>TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) >>TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS >> >>Hi All, >> >>The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is >>schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm >>Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode >>(starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end >>on page 40). >> >>The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in >>the Family) is an avid square dancer. >> >>". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's >>a fabulous workout . . . " >> >>The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode >>and see. >> >>If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. >> >>There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is >>teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally >>flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a >>screeching halt. >> >>I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene >>(although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped >>altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). >> >>Happy viewing. >> >>Cheers - - - Paul >> >>Paul Waters >>12344 Addison St. >>Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 >>Paul_Waters at msn.com >> >> >>P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of >>traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on >>the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: >> >>"Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody >>sail!" >> >>I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently >>passed away from an untimely death. And for some unexplained reason, >>this is my strongest and most persistent memory of this laudable icon >>of the square dance movement --- and now a key element of both this >>episode, and its associated outtake. >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LKJ at DJJ.com Thu Feb 2 14:34:48 2006 From: LKJ at DJJ.com (Linda Jones - LKJ) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:34:48 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk Message-ID: I always LOVED the funny clothes and don't enjoy dancing as much without them. But, I'm aware that I'm in the minority!! Thanks for the reply. Linda K. Jones Payroll Manager The David J. Joseph Company Employee Services * 513-419-6073 * lkj at djj.com fax 513-419-6235 -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Caldwell Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:27 PM To: Squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk It's was a rare Wednesday night home, so I watched it. I had never heard of the program, but the presentation about square dancing didn't surprise me. People think of square dancing as something done by old people in funny clothes. Since that's mostly true, what else can we expect. There are very few people outside of square dancing that know any differently and they may all be related to square dancers. I don't wear "funny" clothes to dance anymore, but teens will definitely think I'm old, even if I don't. The program didn't make fun of square dancing as much as it just made it appear as an activity for older people, not teenagers. They were comparing it to climbing a rope to go over a wall. We aren't likely to look very athletic in that context. I thought the portrayal of the teen boy was even worse than that of the grandmother square dancer. Sandy Atlanta Linda Jones - LKJ wrote: I didn't see it. Did know about it ahead of time and don't watch the show. What was so bad? Linda K. Jones Payroll Manager The David J. Joseph Company Employee Services * 513-419-6073 * lkj at djj.com fax 513-419-6235 -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com ] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 PM To: dave at daveswebplace.net ; 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk One more piece of information I just dug up -- The show Still Standing takes place in Chicago, Illinois. I found this about Illinois, on the internet: In 1990, Governor Thompson signed into law a bill designating the Square Dance as the American folk dance of the State. Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com ] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:00 PM To: 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good advertising, but not last night. Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show last night went too far. Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the programming director. Just my 2 cents, Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com ] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM To: sd-callers at all8.com ; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; challenge-sd at all8.com ; CALLERLAB Home Office Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it is cross posted). -- Clark Begin forwarded message: WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS Hi All, The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode (starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end on page 40). The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in the Family) is an avid square dancer. ". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's a fabulous workout . . . " The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode and see. If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a screeching halt. I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene (although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). Happy viewing. Cheers - - - Paul Paul Waters 12344 Addison St. Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 Paul_Waters at msn.com P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: "Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody sail!" I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently passed away from an untimely death. 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I wore them for the first 24 years of dancing. Many of those years 5 nights a week. Linda Jones - LKJ wrote: > I always LOVED the funny clothes and don't enjoy dancing as much > without them. But, I'm aware that I'm in the minority!! > > Thanks for the reply. > > > > Linda K. Jones > Payroll Manager > The David J. Joseph Company > Employee Services > ( 513-419-6073 > * lkj at djj.com > fax 513-419-6235 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com > [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Sandy Caldwell > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:27 PM > To: Squaredancing at rbnsn.com > Subject: Re: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still > Standing " Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk > > It's was a rare Wednesday night home, so I watched it. I had > never heard of the program, but the presentation about square > dancing didn't surprise me. People think of square dancing as > something done by old people in funny clothes. Since that's > mostly true, what else can we expect. There are very few people > outside of square dancing that know any differently and they may > all be related to square dancers. I don't wear "funny" clothes to > dance anymore, but teens will definitely think I'm old, even if I > don't. > > The program didn't make fun of square dancing as much as it just > made it appear as an activity for older people, not teenagers. > They were comparing it to climbing a rope to go over a wall. We > aren't likely to look very athletic in that context. > > I thought the portrayal of the teen boy was even worse than that > of the grandmother square dancer. > > Sandy > Atlanta > > Linda Jones - LKJ wrote: > >>I didn't see it. Did know about it ahead of time and don't watch the show. >>What was so bad? >> >>Linda K. Jones >>Payroll Manager >>The David J. Joseph Company >>Employee Services >> * 513-419-6073 >> >> >>>* lkj at djj.com >>>fax 513-419-6235 >>> >>> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com >>[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde >>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:04 PM >>To: dave at daveswebplace.net; 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' >>Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing >>"Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk >> >> >>One more piece of information I just dug up -- The show Still Standing takes >>place in Chicago, Illinois. I found this about Illinois, on the internet: >>In 1990, Governor Thompson signed into law a bill designating the Square >>Dance as the American folk dance of the State. >> >>Dave Hinde >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net >>/O____O_| http://evadsti.net >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com >>[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Dave Hinde >>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:00 PM >>To: 'This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD' >>Subject: RE: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing >>"Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing -Bob Fisk >> >>I forwarded this email on to several others, who in turn forwarded it on. >>The response I've had today was that the show was a real slap in the face to >>square dancing. Most of the time I feel that any advertising is good >>advertising, but not last night. >> >>Anyway, I think some of our national organizations should write to CBS and >>remind them that Square Dancing is considered by many to be our national >>dance. They should also point out that it is the Official Folk Dance of >>many states. Would CBS air a program about hunting Bald Eagles? Would any >>other nation air a program that ridicules their National Folk Dance? It's >>one thing to have fun or poke fun at square dancing, but I think the show >>last night went too far. >> >>Since it would probably too long for one of our official groups to send a >>letter to CBS, I do plan on writing one myself. Does anyone have good >>addresses for CBS and also for the writers of the program and the >>programming director. >> >>Just my 2 cents, >> >>Dave Hinde >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >> __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net >>/O____O_| http://evadsti.net >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com >>[mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker >>Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:53 PM >>To: sd-callers at all8.com; This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD; >>challenge-sd at all8.com; CALLERLAB Home Office >>Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still >>Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk >> >>I received the following from Paul Waters who asked me to forward it to >>places that may be interested. Please don't reply to this e-mail (since it >>is cross posted). -- Clark >> >>Begin forwarded message: >> >> >> >>>WHAT: Still Standing (EPISODE: Still Flunking) >>>DATE: Wednesday, February 1, 2006 >>>TIME: 8:00pm (7:00pm Central) >>>TELEVISION NETWORK: CBS >>> >>>Hi All, >>> >>>The upcoming episode of Still Standing, entitled "Still Flunking," is >>>schedule to air this coming Wednesday, February 1, at 8:00pm (7:00pm >>>Central) on CBS. Square dancing plays a prominent role in the episode >>>(starting on page 25 of the script, and continuing almost to the end >>>on page 40). >>> >>>The good news is that the character played by Sally Struthers (All in >>>the Family) is an avid square dancer. >>> >>>". . . I told you, I'm a member of a senior square dancing group. It's >>>a fabulous workout . . . " >>> >>>The otherwise-characterized news is . . . well . . . watch the episode >>>and see. >>> >>>If you do tune in, be sure to watch all the way through to the end. >>> >>>There were four takes of the scene where Louise (Sally Struthers) is >>>teaching Brian (Taylor Ball) to square dance. In the first two, Sally >>>flubbed a line (in the exact same place) --- bringing production to a >>>screeching halt. >>> >>>I'm told the tag CBS intends to air is a blooper of this scene >>>(although this could change, and the tag might even be dumped >>>altogether as a last minute network scheduling decision). >>> >>>Happy viewing. >>> >>>Cheers - - - Paul >>> >>>Paul Waters >>>12344 Addison St. >>>Valley Village, CA 91607-3610 >>>Paul_Waters at msn.com >>> >>> >>>P.S. The line of dialogue that caused Sally grief hails from annals of >>>traditional square dancing, appearing --- among other places --- on >>>the Lloyd Shaw Foundation website: >>> >>>"Possum on a fence, chicken on a rail, grab your girl and everybody >>>sail!" >>> >>>I first heard this in 1973 at a dance called by Bob Fisk, who recently >>>passed away from an untimely death. And for some unexplained reason, >>>this is my strongest and most persistent memory of this laudable icon >>>of the square dance movement --- and now a key element of both this >>>episode, and its associated outtake. >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squaredancing mailing list >>Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >>http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squaredancing mailing list >>Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >>http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squaredancing mailing list >>Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >>http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squaredancing mailing list >>Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >>http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com >> >> >> >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cmbaker at tiac.net Thu Feb 2 15:23:45 2006 From: cmbaker at tiac.net (Clark Baker) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:23:45 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> References: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> Message-ID: I watched Still Standing last night. It was a 30 minute sitcom and it wasn't very good (not just the square dancing aspect, the whole thing). Their writers wanted to use square dancing for comedy and, knowing the stereotypes that most of us hold about square dancing, their humor was about what we could predict and expect. We even had a bale of hay in the corner (I occasionally get this when I call a ONS). My question for you is, why should any of us be surprised at the way square dancing was portrayed on a show that was using it for comedy? I don't believe that the general public's attitude has changed one bit since 1970 to today. Why do we think we can make a change and, if we can't, why do we keep getting so worked up over it? Sure, Callerlab should do something. Perhaps the ARTS should do something. But what if nothing is to be done? What other activities do you know that have had a reputation like square dancing has with the general public (just ask any teenager) that has turned that reputation around? How did it happen? As for square dancing being the state dance in many states, this is nothing I am proud of. I thought that each state was different, with a different history and heritage and its state dance should reflect that. How did so many states end up with the same state folk dance? Answer: it was a reaction to not being able to get it proclaimed our national folk dance. Why were we trying to get it named our national folk dance? So we could get greater access to free and inexpensive halls. How many "national" symbols does this country have? Answer: 4. Do you feel that a national folk dance holds the same stature as our existing 4 symbols? I don't. How many other dance forms did we trample over in our haste to get square dancing proclaimed a state folk dance? Notice that sometimes we include round dancing and sometimes we include traditional squares dancing. However, usually we just want our for of square dancing -- the modern one -- to be the state dance. How many MWSD dancers have ever done folk dancing? Or traditional squares? Or contras? Do you even know these people or attend their dances and conventions? You are welcome to as they don't require lessons. They can't attend our dances because of our lesson barrier. They consider lessons an anathema; we consider them a requirement. Square dancing is a great activity and it can provide many hours of fun, exercise, and mental stimulation. It doesn't make a good spectator sport, and just its name alone will forever lend it to be the butt of jokes. Get people into it one by one but don't expect to change the average American's opinion of it. In college, when I headed out to a dance, my friends would ask of I was going tap dancing again. -- Clark Baker, Belmont, MA cmbaker at tiac.net From ljknews at mac.com Thu Feb 2 15:29:42 2006 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:29:42 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: References: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> Message-ID: At 3:23 PM -0500 2/2/06, Clark Baker wrote: > Their writers wanted to use square dancing for comedy and, knowing the > stereotypes that most of us hold about square dancing, their humor was > about what we could predict and expect. We even had a bale of hay in > the corner (I occasionally get this when I call a ONS). I watched it as a normal program, and really did not think it made fun of square dancing. It needed an alternative activity rather than the preferred wall-climbing, but most of the fun was poked at the macho attitude the father and the coach were trying to cultivate. They also made fun of the characters trying to avoid _any_ activity the grandmother proposed. The only sad note for me is that my age is brought home by my shock at seeing Sally Struthers cast as the grandmother. -- Larry Kilgallen From dave at daveswebplace.net Thu Feb 2 16:06:11 2006 From: dave at daveswebplace.net (Dave Hinde) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:06:11 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] MWSD as an "Official" dance -- was Re: CBS Wednesday..... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060202210614.WGJC19943.eastrmmtao04.cox.net@home3500> I changed the subject line, since I wanted to respond to Clark's thought about square dancing being an official dance. This is my personal opinion, but I think there are a number of reasons why square dancing should be our countries official dance. Making it so may help obtain halls, etc., but I never thought about that until you pointed it out. I would consider that a side benefit. As far as I know there are only two dance forms that originated in the United States. There may be 3 or 4 by now, but I remember from a game show a bunch of years ago, that there were only two. One is square dancing, the other is tap dancing. If the US were to pick an official dance, it should be something native to the US. Another reason is the whole concept of how square dancing came to be. It was a combination of dances from several European countries. Our nation was formed the same way, by blending nationalities together to form a new and unique nation. Square dancing was formed the same way. Over the years square dancing has stayed up to date with it's music, using the traditional styling and movements with today's music. That may or may not be a reason to make it an official dance, but I like that the movement keeps up to date in that respect. If you look at clothing we kept up to date until the mid 60s, but that bag of worms is another thread of emails, and shouldn't be considered when talking about making a dance "official". I also think square dancing is a good "model" for an activity because of the way it blends people of different backgrounds and cultures together. When you step into a square you do not care what the other peoples religion is, what their income is, what their background is. You work together with the other 7 people that you just met to get thru the dance. This is another good example of why square dancing is a good activity and deserves recognition by our government. There's also the health reason for promoting square dancing. Studies on aging for many years have said that people who remain both physically and mentally active throughout their life, will continue to have good physical and mental health in their senior years. Square Dancing has been used by a Penn State study as a prime example of an activity that combines both. Not everyone is gracefull enough for a lot of dance forms, but in square dancing you just need to be able to walk and know your right hand from the left. Other forms of dance require you to know your right foot from the left, and that's more complicated:-) The above are the reasons we should be promoting square dancing as an official dance - at least in my humble opinion. Dave Hinde -------------------------------------------------------------------- __/, at __ dave at daveswebplace.net /O____O_| http://evadsti.net -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf Of Clark Baker Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:24 PM To: This list for discussing all aspect of MWSD Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: CBS Wednesday,2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode-Square Dancing - Bob Fisk I watched Still Standing last night. It was a 30 minute sitcom and it wasn't very good (not just the square dancing aspect, the whole thing). Their writers wanted to use square dancing for comedy and, knowing the stereotypes that most of us hold about square dancing, their humor was about what we could predict and expect. We even had a bale of hay in the corner (I occasionally get this when I call a ONS). My question for you is, why should any of us be surprised at the way square dancing was portrayed on a show that was using it for comedy? I don't believe that the general public's attitude has changed one bit since 1970 to today. Why do we think we can make a change and, if we can't, why do we keep getting so worked up over it? Sure, Callerlab should do something. Perhaps the ARTS should do something. But what if nothing is to be done? What other activities do you know that have had a reputation like square dancing has with the general public (just ask any teenager) that has turned that reputation around? How did it happen? As for square dancing being the state dance in many states, this is nothing I am proud of. I thought that each state was different, with a different history and heritage and its state dance should reflect that. How did so many states end up with the same state folk dance? Answer: it was a reaction to not being able to get it proclaimed our national folk dance. Why were we trying to get it named our national folk dance? So we could get greater access to free and inexpensive halls. How many "national" symbols does this country have? Answer: 4. Do you feel that a national folk dance holds the same stature as our existing 4 symbols? I don't. How many other dance forms did we trample over in our haste to get square dancing proclaimed a state folk dance? Notice that sometimes we include round dancing and sometimes we include traditional squares dancing. However, usually we just want our for of square dancing -- the modern one -- to be the state dance. How many MWSD dancers have ever done folk dancing? Or traditional squares? Or contras? Do you even know these people or attend their dances and conventions? You are welcome to as they don't require lessons. They can't attend our dances because of our lesson barrier. They consider lessons an anathema; we consider them a requirement. Square dancing is a great activity and it can provide many hours of fun, exercise, and mental stimulation. It doesn't make a good spectator sport, and just its name alone will forever lend it to be the butt of jokes. Get people into it one by one but don't expect to change the average American's opinion of it. In college, when I headed out to a dance, my friends would ask of I was going tap dancing again. -- Clark Baker, Belmont, MA cmbaker at tiac.net _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From htrost at gmx.de Fri Feb 3 04:40:58 2006 From: htrost at gmx.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:40:58 +0100 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunk... In-Reply-To: <2bd.454058d.3113bfbe@aol.com> References: <2bd.454058d.3113bfbe@aol.com> Message-ID: <43E3252A.2050109@gmx.de> Anne et al, > I'm with you. I always feel so much better when I'm dancing with > petticoats and pettipants. I don't think you're in as big a minority as > you believe. please remember: Depending on the Callerlab recommendation of the three different dresscodes and the thoughts about saving square dance hobby into the future: If some dancers like to dance in traditional attire it's still possible, but we shall go away from that we force people to wear clothes of the 1950's. Heinz Germany From htrost at gmx.de Fri Feb 3 05:01:39 2006 From: htrost at gmx.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:01:39 +0100 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: References: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> Message-ID: <43E32A03.50504@gmx.de> Clark et al, > As for square dancing being the state dance in many states, this is > nothing I am proud of. I thought that each state was different, with a > different history and heritage and its state dance should reflect that. > How did so many states end up with the same state folk dance? We can't request more positive reports before we weren't able to change the situation, make square dancing to a sport much more people of all ages will be interested in. Average people watch folk dances in a demo or on T.V., or as a tourist somewhere, maybe attending a wedding, too. But they usually don't like to learn and do folk dances. So I believe we should promote the more sportive image. BTW: On January 21st, we had our annual Stuttgart Student Convention. This is 5 1/2 hours of MWSD (Basic 30) and 1 hour rounds (level of the actually RD class which started in October with Cha, Rumba, Waltz, 2step), the 7 callers and 1 cuer were from Greather Stuttgart area. Under 323 dancers we only had 88 students this year. Visitors usually asked: "Is this your competition?" A young visitor had a look into the hall and said: "Wow! I never thought that people in that age can dance so funny!" And a square dancer (in his 30's, I think) told his girlfrien/wife while watching the rounds: "This is round dance, it's for people 60 and older!" Heinz Germany From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com Fri Feb 3 07:09:56 2006 From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:09:56 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunk... In-Reply-To: <43E3252A.2050109@gmx.de> References: <2bd.454058d.3113bfbe@aol.com> <43E3252A.2050109@gmx.de> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203070150.08718e30@rbnsn.com> At 04:40 AM 2/3/2006, Heinz D. Trost wrote: >please remember: Depending on the Callerlab recommendation of the >three different dresscodes and the thoughts about saving square >dance hobby into the future: If some dancers like to dance in >traditional attire it's still possible, but we shall go away from >that we force people to wear clothes of the 1950's. Let's not get into a dress code free-for-all here again... The Callerlab recommendation is for Callers only, not for dancers. USDA has a recommendation for dancers. Yes, they are similar and they are recommendations, not fixed in stone. No one is forcing anyone to buy/wear clothes of the 1950's. BTW, I've recently been in contact with a women in my age group (early 50's) who doesn't square dance (yet). Her first reaction after I showed her the pictures I've taken of Square Dancing was "Do I have to know to square dance before I can wear those frilly outfits? I love frilly clothes!" Ken Robinson Hillsborough, NJ From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com Fri Feb 3 07:22:13 2006 From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 07:22:13 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk In-Reply-To: <43E32A03.50504@gmx.de> References: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> <43E32A03.50504@gmx.de> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203071238.045fb958@rbnsn.com> At 05:01 AM 2/3/2006, Heinz D. Trost wrote: >We can't request more positive reports before we weren't able to >change the situation, make square dancing to a sport much more >people of all ages will be interested in. In my club's small class this year, the ages of the students range from 5 to the early 50's. Actually the kids outnumber the adults (we have 6 kids ages 5,5, 9,9,9, 13) All of the kids are children of Square Dancers, but were not forced to take the lessons -- all of them wanted to. >Average people watch folk dances in a demo or on T.V., or as a >tourist somewhere, maybe attending a wedding, too. But they usually >don't like to learn and do folk dances. > >So I believe we should promote the more sportive image. I think so also -- that's how Ballroom Dancing has had a resurgence of popularity, they emphasized the sport image (Dancesport). This has led to a Ballroom Dancing reality show called "Dancing with the Stars". >Visitors usually asked: "Is this your competition?" >A young visitor had a look into the hall and said: "Wow! I never >thought that people in that age can dance so funny!" We've gotten that comment all the time. The answer that we've usually given -- "The only competition is to see who can have the most fun." >And a square dancer (in his 30's, I think) told his girlfrien/wife >while watching the rounds: "This is round dance, it's for people 60 and older!" Then it's time to educate the younger square dancers about the many forms of dancing and show them some of the more energetic round dances. Ken Robinson Hillsborough, NJ From htrost at gmx.de Fri Feb 3 08:35:38 2006 From: htrost at gmx.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:35:38 +0100 Subject: [Squaredancing] Fwd: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing " Still Flunk... In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20060203070150.08718e30@rbnsn.com> References: <2bd.454058d.3113bfbe@aol.com> <43E3252A.2050109@gmx.de> <7.0.1.0.2.20060203070150.08718e30@rbnsn.com> Message-ID: <43E35C2A.2010800@gmx.de> Ken, >> please remember: Depending on the Callerlab recommendation of the >> three different dresscodes and the thoughts about saving square dance >> hobby into the future: If some dancers like to dance in traditional >> attire it's still possible, but we shall go away from that we force >> people to wear clothes of the 1950's. > The Callerlab recommendation is for Callers only, not for dancers. No, it is for dancers. And it recommends to organizers of dance events to publish on their flyers what kind of the three dress codes they want . Callers can wear what they want. Just for cuers dress code is part of the membership appliance form if they want to become a member of Roundalab. > USDA > has a recommendation for dancers. Yes, they are similar and they are > recommendations, not fixed in stone. > > No one is forcing anyone to buy/wear clothes of the 1950's. Oh,- ask them (e.g. Gloria K.) which were sent away as visitors of several MWSD club dances, special dances and the National SD Convention just because they don't wear e.g. traditional SD attire,- or e.g. wearing a boxer short instead of a petty pant... And please remember the information which was given last year from the organizers of the 54th NSDC which told us that e.g. we as round dancers could wear RD attire in the RD halls and we can walk through the SD halls, but we had to change to SD attire if we would square up in a SD hall... > BTW, I've recently been in contact with a women in my age group (early > 50's) who doesn't square dance (yet). Her first reaction after I showed > her the pictures I've taken of Square Dancing was "Do I have to know to > square dance before I can wear those frilly outfits? I love frilly > clothes!" Well, that's an exception. Most women Mid 40 and up prefer to wear trousers/slacks. Heinz Germany From BOBBSHARP at aol.com Fri Feb 3 12:59:59 2006 From: BOBBSHARP at aol.com (BOBBSHARP at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:59:59 EST Subject: [Squaredancing] SD Competition Message-ID: <24b.649d92a.3114f41f@aol.com> htrost at gmx.de writes: , make square dancing to a sport much more people of all ages will be interested in. So I believe we should promote the more sportive image. I agree. Bob Osgood was firmly against competion. We argued the point mnay times. I called a competition at the NY State Fair for many years and I felt it was a highly successful program. There was no 'Best Square' or 'Best Square Dancer' crowned as a result, just blue or red or white ribbons and everybody got one. There were 4 age groups (even one senior) and the jubilation of the participants was a sight to behold. One year Zavier Cugat and Abby Lane appeared at the same venue in the afternoon with about one quarter of the seats filled. At our competition that evening it was a packed house with SRO. Look at the success of the teen competition in Canada. Think about it. Bob Brundage -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaczko at san.rr.com Sun Feb 5 19:26:30 2006 From: jmaczko at san.rr.com (Jim Maczko) Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:26:30 -0800 Subject: [Squaredancing] Re: CBS Wednesday, 2/1/06 - Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode -Square Dancing - Bob Fisk References: <20060202185943.YCFX4894.eastrmmtao01.cox.net@home3500> Message-ID: <126801c62ab3$fa9aa830$28f85f46@Jim> At 3:23 PM -0500 2/2/06, Clark Baker wrote: > Their writers wanted to use square dancing for comedy and, knowing the > stereotypes that most of us hold about square dancing, their humor was > about what we could predict and expect. We even had a bale of hay in the > corner (I occasionally get this when I call a ONS). > Sure, Callerlab should do something. Perhaps the ARTS should do > something. But what if nothing is to be done? While the Still Standing "Still Flunking" Episode was far from flattering to the Square Dance activity, in all likelihood it did not have a very large audience. When Saturday Night Live did their "Dirty Square Dancing" episode 12 to 15 years ago, the Square Dance community responded with volumes of protests from individual dancers and from multiple dance organizations. The results of this large response was that NBC saw the controversy caused by their airing the "Dirty Square Dancing" episode, so they re-ran the show every chance they got, which did far more harm that the original episode. As a result of this previously experience, I would recommend that we not over react to what simply was a poorly done portrayal of the activity we love. If we recognize that their efforts were aimed at be humorous and not as a true portrayal of square dancing, we are probably better off ignoring this situation. Jim Maczko - Chairman of the Governing Board ALLIANCE OF ROUND, TRADITIONAL AND SQUARE-DANCE, INC. Post Office Box 712918 San Diego, California 92171-2918 619-295-2635 jmaczko at san.rr.com _______________________________________________ Squaredancing mailing list Squaredancing at rbnsn.com http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com From stigmalmo at gmail.com Tue Feb 7 06:39:41 2006 From: stigmalmo at gmail.com (Stig MALMO) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:39:41 +0100 Subject: [Squaredancing] SD Competition In-Reply-To: <24b.649d92a.3114f41f@aol.com> References: <24b.649d92a.3114f41f@aol.com> Message-ID: <52c0ad4c0602070339j76c8884cm@mail.gmail.com> > Hello Bob, Is there any progress with the plans on making your interviews with callers avaliable?? I am looking forward for this to become a reality. It would be such a treat to hear many of them talk about their lives and calling experiences. Stig -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BOBBSHARP at aol.com Tue Feb 7 20:09:49 2006 From: BOBBSHARP at aol.com (BOBBSHARP at aol.com) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:09:49 EST Subject: [Squaredancing] SD Competition Message-ID: <2b7.42b7766.311a9edd@aol.com> stigmalmo at gmail.com writes: Is there any progress with the plans on making your interviews with callers avaliable?? Stig - At the moment a local caller and his partner who are very computer literate are planning to establish a web page with streaming possibilities so that you can hear the actual tape or read and print it. As you can imagine this is a BIGGG PROJECT AND WILL DEVELOP SLOWLY. i'M SURE YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IT AS TIME GOES ALONG. YOU MIGHT CHECK BOBBRUNDAGE. COM FROM TIME TO TIME. Thanks Bob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I remain at your disposal for additional information. Sincerely Mr. Constantine Nissidis Secretary ************************************************* - The International Dance Council (CID) is the official umbrella organization for all forms of dance in all countries of the world. - It is a non-profit non-governmental organization founded in 1973 within the UNESCO headquarters. - It is a worldwide forum bringing together international, national and local organizations as well as individuals active in dance. - It represents the art of dance in general and advises the UNESCO, national and local government agencies, international organizations and institutions. Headquarters CID, UNESCO, Paris, France www.cid-unesco.org CID President's Office International Dance Council Dora Stratou Dance Theater, Scholiou 8, Plaka, GR-10558 Athens, Greece Tel. (30)210.324.4395 & 210.324.6188; Fax (30)210.324.6921 president at cid-unesco.org From M0220sr at aol.com Sun Feb 19 14:18:36 2006 From: M0220sr at aol.com (M0220sr at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:18:36 EST Subject: [Squaredancing] [Arm Wrestling Anyone?] Message-ID: <257.6b220b8.312a1e8c@aol.com> Dancers: Have you ever been in a square where there is one dancer who insists on having an arm wrestle with you every time you do a movement like Swing Thru or Spin the Top, Spin Chain, etc? You can't just make connection in any of the standard (forearm, handsup/down, hand, tap holds) ways without him/her pushing your arm back as if to say, "I'm the dominant dancer here, move out of my way." Why do some dancers feel that they have to manhandle others through the whole tip? Any ideas as to what to do with someone you know is going to be very rough in wave-like formation figures? R. S. Matthews -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From htrost at gmx.de Sun Feb 19 15:47:26 2006 From: htrost at gmx.de (Heinz D. Trost) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:47:26 +0100 Subject: [Squaredancing] [Arm Wrestling Anyone?] In-Reply-To: <257.6b220b8.312a1e8c@aol.com> References: <257.6b220b8.312a1e8c@aol.com> Message-ID: <43F8D95E.50204@gmx.de> R.S., > Why do some dancers feel that they have to manhandle others through the > whole tip? maybe they weren't taught the right (gentle) handhold? > Any ideas as to what to do with someone you know is going to be very > rough in wave-like formation figures? 1. Tell him that in that way he'll hurt you. Maybe in a break between tips show him the right handhold. If this wont work, then 2. in the tip stay away from any hand- or armhold to him,- so if the caller calls a regular wave and you would have to hold hands/rm with that rough dancer then act as if the caller has called "...with no hands" if that also wont work, then 3. complain loud while dncing so the shame of the public will go to that rough dancer. Heinz From sdcaller1 at sympatico.ca Sun Feb 19 21:33:15 2006 From: sdcaller1 at sympatico.ca (Caller-G) Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:33:15 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] [Arm Wrestling Anyone?] References: <257.6b220b8.312a1e8c@aol.com> Message-ID: Oh yea,,,,,,, I sure have and have also had dancers come to me to complain about it too! Here's my advice ,,,,,,,,,, First,,,,, if a gentle comment to that dancer, such as 'take it easy please' doesn't work, then,,,,,,,,, Look them straight in the eye... say "OW that hurts !!" (so only they can hear it),,,,,,,, and if that doesn't get their attention, increase the volume of your voice so others hear it too. Often the first one does it, but not always, so step up your 'voice' until they get the message! As a Caller, it's one key area that I focus on from 'day 1' and keep on 'harping' (if I have to), with both 'new' & experienced dancers. If any dancer has arthritis in their hands it's MIGHTY painful dancing with 'rough' dancer hand contact, and totally avoidable if everyone is being considerate of each other! Perhaps you may need to talk to your Caller & perhaps have him/her have a general 'pep talk' to the assembled dancers about being 'considerate of other dancers'. Geoff Clarke, Carleton Place, Ontario, Canada Web: http://callerg.squaresandrounds.com ----- Original Message ----- From: M0220sr at aol.com To: Squaredancing at rbnsn.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: [Squaredancing] [Arm Wrestling Anyone?] Dancers: Have you ever been in a square where there is one dancer who insists on having an arm wrestle with you every time you do a movement like Swing Thru or Spin the Top, Spin Chain, etc? You can't just make connection in any of the standard (forearm, handsup/down, hand, tap holds) ways without him/her pushing your arm back as if to say, "I'm the dominant dancer here, move out of my way." Why do some dancers feel that they have to manhandle others through the whole tip? Any ideas as to what to do with someone you know is going to be very rough in wave-like formation figures? R. S. 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Ann is with him and will be staying in Gainesville for the time being. Danny was operated on that Saturday night to relieve the pressure and to drain the blood. He is being kept heavily sedated and the doctors will require 4 - 5 days to reduce the brain swelling before they can run more tests and evaluate his condition. Whirl & Twirl will be holding a prayer session before their dance tonight and again before their dance on Friday night. We would like to ask everyone to observe a moment of silence at 8:00 PM Eastern Time on Wednesday and Friday evenings in honor of Danny. If you would like to send cards and well wishes to Danny and Ann you can send them to the following address: Danny Robinson 1910 Conifer Court Winter Park, FL 32792 Please keep Danny & Ann in your prayers. Once we learn of any details we will forward them on to you. Bruce Morgan 407-339-3121 Whirl & Twirl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One of the "Three Couples" both of them (man and woman) were dressed in Badly faded Black and Red Plaid denim Shirts with Badly faded Blue Denim Jeans and matching Blue Denim Western Boots. Regards, Jim S. -----Original Message----- From: Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com [mailto:Squaredancing-bounces at rbnsn.com]On Behalf Of M0220sr at aol.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:19 PM To: Squaredancing at rbnsn.com Subject: [Squaredancing] [Arm Wrestling Anyone?] Dancers: Have you ever been in a square where there is one dancer who insists on having an arm wrestle with you every time you do a movement like Swing Thru or Spin the Top, Spin Chain, etc? You can't just make connection in any of the standard (forearm, handsup/down, hand, tap holds) ways without him/her pushing your arm back as if to say, "I'm the dominant dancer here, move out of my way." Why do some dancers feel that they have to manhandle others through the whole tip? 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Just wondering Heiner Fischle Hannover, Germany From president at cid-unesco.org Fri Feb 24 09:40:10 2006 From: president at cid-unesco.org (President's office) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:40:10 +0200 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson References: <006501c637ed$03d1dd60$6501a8c0@Bruce> Message-ID: <013a01c63953$8f086a40$7400a8c0@cid2> Dear colleague, You are cordially invited to add your free listing to the global directory "Who's Who in Dance" of the International Dance Council CID, by filling the form at: www.cid-unesco.org Alternatively, you can return this message by providing the data below. - Name of teacher/director/organizer/researcher/contact person: - Title of organization/school/company: - Postal address, complete with postal code and country: - Email address (will not appear online): - Web site URL: - Telephone & fax number: - Activities, keywords for computer search (describe your work in detail): Your email address will remain confidential and is guaranteed not be given to others or used for commercial purposes. This is a strictly non-commercial program, carried out by volunteers as a service to the dance community. It lists openly all forms of dance in all countries on an equal basis. It greatly facilitates overseas contacts and cooperation. With 80,000 addresses from 200 countries gathered so far, it is by far the largest dance directory ever compiled. If you have already sent your listing please check whether it has been correctly entered. We look forward to your reply and remain at your disposal. Ms. Ada Angeli Executive Secretary ********************************************************* - The International Dance Council (CID) is the official umbrella organization for all forms of dance in all countries of the world. - It is a non-profit non-governmental organization founded in 1973 within the UNESCO headquarters in Paris. - It is a worldwide forum bringing together international, national and local organizations as well as select individuals active in dance. - It represents the art of dance in general and advises the UNESCO, national and local government agencies, international organizations and institutions. Headquarters CID, UNESCO, Paris, France www.cid-unesco.org CID President's Office International Dance Council Dora Stratou Dance Theater, Scholiou 8, Plaka, GR-10558 Athens, Greece Tel. 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Ken Robinson Squaredancing list owner. kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com From jop1 at comcast.net Fri Feb 24 18:45:18 2006 From: jop1 at comcast.net (Jim Penrod) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:45:18 -0800 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson In-Reply-To: <013a01c63953$8f086a40$7400a8c0@cid2> References: <006501c637ed$03d1dd60$6501a8c0@Bruce> <013a01c63953$8f086a40$7400a8c0@cid2> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20060224154412.02533738@mail.comcast.net> Forget it. I am not interested in adding my name to your cocked up Who's Who in Dancing. At 06:40 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > > >Dear colleague, > > > > > >You are cordially invited to add your free listing to the global directory >"Who's Who in Dance" of the International Dance Council CID, by filling >the form at: > >www.cid-unesco.org > > > >Alternatively, you can return this message by providing the data below. > > > >- Name of teacher/director/organizer/researcher/contact person: > >- Title of organization/school/company: > >- Postal address, complete with postal code and country: > >- Email address (will not appear online): > >- Web site URL: > >- Telephone & fax number: > >- Activities, keywords for computer search (describe your work in detail): > > > > > > > >Your email address will remain confidential and is guaranteed not be given >to others or used for commercial purposes. > > > >This is a strictly non-commercial program, carried out by volunteers as a >service to the dance community. > >It lists openly all forms of dance in all countries on an equal basis. It >greatly facilitates overseas contacts and cooperation. > >With 80,000 addresses from 200 countries gathered so far, it is by far the >largest dance directory ever compiled. > > > >If you have already sent your listing please check whether it has been >correctly entered. > > > >We look forward to your reply and remain at your disposal. > > > > > >Ms. Ada Angeli > >Executive Secretary > > > > > > > >********************************************************* > >- The International Dance Council (CID) is the official umbrella >organization for all forms of dance in all countries of the world. > >- It is a non-profit non-governmental organization founded in 1973 within >the UNESCO headquarters in Paris. > >- It is a worldwide forum bringing together international, national and >local organizations as well as select individuals active in dance. > >- It represents the art of dance in general and advises the UNESCO, >national and local government agencies, international organizations and >institutions. > > > >Headquarters > >CID, UNESCO, Paris, France > >www.cid-unesco.org > > > > > >CID President's Office > >International Dance Council > >Dora Stratou Dance Theater, Scholiou 8, Plaka, GR-10558 Athens, Greece > >Tel. (30)210.324.4395 & 210.324.6188; Fax (30)210.324.6921 > >president at cid-unesco.org > > > > > > > > > >Please write your full name in the Subject line of your message > >and eventually your CID Membership number > >to distinguish from spam and ensure faster processing > > >_______________________________________________ >Squaredancing mailing list >Squaredancing at rbnsn.com >http://rbnsn.com/mailman/listinfo/squaredancing_rbnsn.com Jim Penrod Everything about square dancing, http://www.penrod-sq-dancing.com, click -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ljknews at mac.com Fri Feb 24 19:04:39 2006 From: ljknews at mac.com (ljknews) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:04:39 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20060224154412.02533738@mail.comcast.net> References: <006501c637ed$03d1dd60$6501a8c0@Bruce> <013a01c63953$8f086a40$7400a8c0@cid2> <6.0.1.1.2.20060224154412.02533738@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: At 3:45 PM -0800 2/24/06, Jim Penrod wrote: > Forget it. I am not interested in adding my name to your cocked up Who's >Who in Dancing. > > > At 06:40 AM 2/24/2006, you wrote: > > > > Dear colleague, The problem is, how to get these people to stop spamming every square dance list they can find. Adding to that problem is the fact that some recipients do not recognize spam. Certainly the person who sent it does not read the list. -- Larry Kilgallen From kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com Fri Feb 24 21:03:15 2006 From: kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com (Ken Robinson) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 21:03:15 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] [admin] This message is for the Members on AOL Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20060224205521.07337510@rbnsn.com> To all member on AOL (with apologies to everyone else) Please do not report any messages from this list as spam to AOL, someone on AOL reported the message from earlier today from "The President's Office" as spam. Yes, it was spam, and I have already warned the sender not to do it again, but I am afraid they will anyway. But when you report a message from the list as spam to AOL you are putting the whole list at risk of not being able to send any messages to any AOL address. Thanks. Ken Robinson squaredancing list owner kenrbnsn at rbnsn.com From brucemorgan at earthlink.net Fri Feb 24 22:52:18 2006 From: brucemorgan at earthlink.net (Bruce) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:52:18 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson Message-ID: <001f01c639be$e05c4270$6501a8c0@Bruce> Ann called after the dance tonight to let us know that Danny passed about 4:00 this afternoon. She said it was a peaceful passing and his family was with him. Of course arrangements are pending at this time. As soon as Ann has finalized everything we will surely pass them on to you. Keep Ann and her family in your prayers during this trying time. Please send cards: Ann Robinson 1910 Conifer Court Winter Park, FL 32792 Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmaczko at san.rr.com Fri Feb 24 22:13:29 2006 From: jmaczko at san.rr.com (Jim Maczko) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:13:29 -0800 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson References: <006501c637ed$03d1dd60$6501a8c0@Bruce> <013a01c63953$8f086a40$7400a8c0@cid2> <6.0.1.1.2.20060224154412.02533738@mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <00bc01c639b9$741a4710$0100a8c0@Jim> I acknowledge that spamming is a problem, but in an effort to reach all dancers the Alliance of Round, Traditional and Square-Dance (ARTS-Dance) is attempting to establish a network of email addresses for all dancers. Anyone interested in being included in the ARTS electronic mailing list is encouranged to contact us: Jim Maczko - Chairman of the Governing Board ALLIANCE OF ROUND, TRADITIONAL AND SQUARE-DANCE, INC. Post Office Box 712918 San Diego, California 92171-2918 619-295-2635 jmaczko at san.rr.com From WA8VEC at ARRL.NET Sat Feb 25 01:24:50 2006 From: WA8VEC at ARRL.NET (Mike Gormley) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:24:50 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson In-Reply-To: <001f01c639be$e05c4270$6501a8c0@Bruce> References: <001f01c639be$e05c4270$6501a8c0@Bruce> Message-ID: <43FFF832.2000708@ARRL.NET> Bruce wrote: > Ann called after the dance tonight to let us know that Danny passed > about 4:00 this afternoon. She said it was a peaceful passing and his > family was with him. > > > > Of course arrangements are pending at this time. As soon as Ann has > finalized everything we will surely pass them on to you. > > > > Keep Ann and her family in your prayers during this trying time. > > > > Please send cards: > > > > Ann Robinson > > 1910 Conifer Court > > Winter Park, FL 32792 > > > > > > > > Bruce > > > Very sad to hear that. Bruce, do you know how old he was? 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Sorry Heiner Fischle, der Squarekopp Hannover, Germany www.heinerfischle.de From squarekopp at gmx.de Sat Feb 25 17:55:44 2006 From: squarekopp at gmx.de (squarekopp at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:55:44 +0100 (MET) Subject: [Squaredancing] Is CID Spam? Message-ID: <18103.1140908144@www024.gmx.net> >>> someone on AOL reported the message from earlier today from "The President's Office" as spam. Yes, it was spam, and I have already warned the sender not to do it again, <<< >>> - The International Dance Council (CID) is the official umbrella organization for all forms of dance in all countries of the world. - It is a non-profit non-governmental organization founded in 1973 within the UNESCO headquarters in Paris. - It is a worldwide forum bringing together international, national and local organizations as well as select individuals active in dance. <<< As you see, the CID is not about just square dancing. But anyhow, it IS about dancing, and therefore I do NOT consider it as Spam. Americans may feel differently. AOL is an easy way to get access to the internet, as long as you conform with their ways. If you do not, you are in trouble. IMO (without "H"), AOL is a VERY American company. Yours squarely, Heiner Fischle, der Squarekopp Hannover, Germany www.heinerfischle.de P.S. Si tacuisses. philosophos manisses. ;-) From brucemorgan at earthlink.net Sun Feb 26 14:16:09 2006 From: brucemorgan at earthlink.net (Bruce) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:16:09 -0500 Subject: [Squaredancing] Danny Robinson Funeral Arrangements Message-ID: <003401c63b09$1c6a49b0$6501a8c0@Bruce> Arrangements for Danny Robinson will be held Tuesday, February 28th beginning at 10:00 am as follows: Asbury United Methodist Church 220 Horatio Ave Maitland Fl. Rev. V. Scott Harris Officiating Interment following at Glen Haven Memorial Park Cemetery 2300 Temple Dr Winter Park, FL 32789 Reception following interment at: Whirl & Twirl Square Dance Hall 6949 Venture Circle Orlando, FL 32807 (Please park on STREET only) Arrangements are being handled by Family Funeral Care at 7565 Red Bug Lake Rd., Oviedo, FL 32765. Flowers should be sent directly to Asbury United Methodist Church 220 Horatio Ave Maitland FL Ann has requested any donations in Danny's name be made to an animal charity such as the SPCA of Central Florida. SPCA's website is www.ohs-spca.org/memorial_tribute_form.htm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you would like to view some pictures of his earlier years and of today's events please visit the following web site: http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999 &gid=6436145&uid=123393 Once there, click on one of the pictures along the left side of the page. Then use the NEXT and PREVIOUS buttons to view all the pictures. Bruce -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: