[Info-vax] EDS and HP hard to tell the difference

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <4ACFB9D7.2CC14C8B at spam.comcast.net>,
	David J Dachtera <djesys.no at spam.comcast.net> writes:
> George Cook wrote:
>> 
>> In article <hamo86$v13$02$1 at news.t-online.com>, Michael Kraemer <M.Kraemer at gsi.de> writes:
>> > [snip]
>> > And at some point high tech workers deserve what they get.
>> > I hear consistently that they refuse to join or organize themselves
>> > in unions, which might help them to defend their rights,
>> > just as it did for the factory workers a century ago.
>> > "We need no stinkin' unions here, we're so smart, we can
>> > care for ourselves".
>> > I think, this mindset ain't gonna work anymore for them.
>> >
>> 
>> God forbid.  Unions would result in the worst possible outcome.
>> I have watched unions totally destroy the local steel industry, mostly
>> destroy the local coal mining and airlines, nearly run what was once
>> a five star hotel in my home town completely out of business,
>> completely wipe out the local glass and textile industries, and nearly
>> destroy (they may yet do it) the US auto industry.  Thankfully, unions
>> have not yet gained control of our local school systems, so we still
>> have public schools which compare favorably with the local private
>> schools.  If people think outsourcing of IT to India is bad now...
> 
> Never depended on union benefits to protect your home, your livelihood,
> your living wage, your (loved one('s)) life or your (family's) health,
> have you?
> 
> If you enjoy working for minimum wage (or less, where management can
> arrange it) and having the top brass get 8- and 9-figure salaries and
> bonuses while the company flounders and stockholders lose their
> investments, then by all means - keep bad-mouthing unions.
> 
> Get 100% crystal clear on this:
> - Unions protect workers*

Funny.  The few times I have been forced to be a union member in order
to earn a living they have done nothing to protect me.  Not even when
I was explicitly laid-off in order to hire someonea with less experience
at a lower wage.

> - Management bungling and greed destroys companies

Maybe so, but that has nothing to do with unions.  Except maybe that
once "Management bungling and greed" start to destroy the company
nothing can speed theprocess along like a good union.


bill

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