[Info-vax] HP's Partner Virtualization Program

[Richard Maher]

Hi Arne,

"Arne Vajhøj" <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote in message
news:4a79f32b$0$303$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk...
> Richard Maher wrote:
> > "Arne Vajhøj" <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote in message
> > news:4a78f243$0$307$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk...
> >> Richard Maher wrote:
> >>> Hi Jan-Erik, Alan,
> >>> "Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing"
<winston at SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>
> >>>> Virtualization was scheduled for 8.4, which was waiting for Tukwila.
At
> > the
> >>>> Tech Forum, users were pretty clear that they wanted some kind of
> > updated which
> >>>> included virtualization without having to wait for Tukwila, and
> > management
> >>>> appeared to have heard that request.  (Then the VMS sig mailing list
> > had a
> >>>> surprising-to-me discussion aobut what a pain and expense qualifying
> >>>> intermediate versions was, so the message got somewhat muddled, but
as
> > far as
> >>>> I know there's an intention  to get the non-Tukwila-support pieces
> > originally
> >>>> slated for 8.4 out the door in some shorter timeframe.)
> >>> Excellent. So there'd be absolutely *no* reason why IPsec could not be
added
> >>> to the kit in the intervening 4-6 months then, yes?
> >>>
> >>> What a marvellous opportunity to take full advantage of this God-send
of a
> >>> grace period!
> >> I am sure they could.
> >
> > I cannot conceive of a single technological or time-sensitive obstacle.
> >> But they do not seem as interested in IPsec as you are.
> >
> > I depends on who your "they" refers to. (And it certainly would be nice
to
> > have them out from under the bed or the closet for a change. Come on -
come
> > out and take a bow you treacherous bastards! You others all love your
> > bootcamps, love-ins, and tech-update days as a way to keep "up to date"
with
> > what's going on, so who exactly are Arne's "they"?)
> >
> > But, you see, I too have a "they". They were responsible for: -
> > 1) Getting the IPsec development budget approved and management onboard
> > 2) Allocating the many thousands of man hours an millions of dollars to
> > bring a workable product to fruition by august 2007: -
> > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/products/ipsec/
> > 3) Scheduling the initial release for 8.3 and then falling/slipping back
to
> > 8.4 on the road map for *years*!
> > 4) Applying for and receiving "IPV6 Ready" status for TCP/IP Services
for
> > VMS: -
> > http://www.ipv6ready.org/phase-2_approved_list
> > A status that should now be relinquished by any organization of
integrity.
> > 5) Understanding that *every* other OS on the planet from Linux,
Windows,
> > HP/UX, NSK, MVS, Android, iPhone is supporting at least one version of
> > IPsec!
> > 6) Understanding that HP, SUN, Microsoft, IBM, Apple have all jumped on
the
> > IPsec bandwagon years ago
> > 7) Understanding that IPsec is an integral piece of the e-business
> > infrastructure puzzle and is about as optional as running an IP stack at
> > all.
>
> All that is nice tech talk.

And also what's often referred to as facts.

Let me remind people that we are not starting from scratch here. IPsec is
there! We don't need startup funding or any huge commitment from Management,
just to ship the bloody thing. But you're right, I think a bit more "tech
talk" might be useful with the penny-pinching morons who made this decision
:-(
>
> The important question is: how many new systems will you order when/if
> IPsec is available?

About as many as I'll buy when clusters over IP are available, and certainly
more than I've bought since RTR on Linux was made available or WSIT 3.0 or
32 volume shadow sets. Please, please, please stop your spinning; stop
putting up imaginary criterion-hoops that you demand IPsec jump through that
no one else's pet products/projects are forced to endure :-(

In an era where the network is the computer (and long since VMS prided
itself on connectivity) VMS is stuck in a back room prohibited and incapable
of talking securely with the outside world. Let's start to turn that around,
hey?
>
> If that number is high enough then "they" will listen.

Here's a number *everyone else in the world* is doing it! But oh no, the VMS
gurus know better don't they? Just look how well they're doing lately :-(

But once again, management have been on board for years! They've allocated
the money, she's in the back of the car, pants down, Bolero playing, and you
sit back and say "maybe we should think about this for a while"? "let's try
again next year"?
>
> Arne

Regards Richard Maher

PS. Appologies for bringing up "tech talk" in COV. Back to Mountain Dew or
asking someone for a replacement for your accoustic coupler :-(

PPS. (Your Revenue penchant has remided me of another thread I have to get
back to you on)