[Info-vax] "Shanghai Stock Exchange" and OpenVMS

[Richard B. Gilbert]

AEF wrote:
> On Jan 26, 10:16 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>> In article <342d9c74-0b26-4c4b-9dd2-527d08958... at o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>> In article <5288d49e-e43a-463e-a02c-bffcf1393... at o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>> On Jan 23, 9:38 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>> In article <05b548fd-8d1f-48c9-80c4-777bf5f6c... at q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 8:41 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <abd32391-46d6-49e4-aa1c-58d74dcc7... at p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 3:31 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <CKqdnel_5rWYS-XUnZ2dnUVZ_v_in... at giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>         "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <0005d0dd$0$2088$c3e8... at news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>        JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam... at vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> I'm not familiar with Windows servers. What apps do they have? And
>>>>> Unix? Just asking.
>              ^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! for reference for one of my answers below.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>>>> I think we're missing some context here. See below. Besides, there's a
>>>>> difference between scouring the Net or even the MS site compared to
>>>>> the VMS docs. Where on the MS pages can you read all the features,
>>>>> including secret ones, about Outlook or even just its Advanced Find?
>>>>> If there is, I'm all ears.
>>>> Actually, I have seen more than enough complaines here from people who
>>>> could not navigate (or in some cases even find) the VMS docs online.
>>> Say what?
>>> Crap, even I can do it. Have them give me a call and I'll do it for a
>>> nominal fee. Please.
>> If you really care. search the archives.  You will find many people
>> (usually those with limited previous VMS experience) who have asked
>> questions here stating up from that they could not find it in the docs.
>> I know, because I have done it myself.
> 
> That's for help with a specific problem. I'm talking about just
> sitting down and learning all about the OS. A newbie, e.g., should
> read the User's Manual to start. No, that's not obvious, but it will
> be a lot better than posting here asking all sorts of things that are
> in that manual. You have to crawl before you learn to walk.
> 
>>
>>
>>> Using Google to search for
>>>     vms documenation
>>> gives as the 1st (unsponsered) hit:
>>> HP OpenVMS systems documentation Added documentation for HP OpenVMS
>>> Common Internet File System (CIFS) Version 1.1. ... Hewlett-Packard
>>> welcomes your comments on the OpenVMS documentation. ...
>>> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/- 47k - Cached - Similar pages
>>> (Yes, I know: if you go towww.hp.comand use its search function, you
>>> have to know it's called OpenVMS. Typing VMS in its search box gives
>>> you the Ask the Wizard series [as does a lot of other VMS-related
>>> search input.)
>>> As far as navigating the doc site, you would add a READMEFIRST? Yeah,
>>> I suppose the docs should be ordered better. But they're all there. I
>>> don't have to hunt various places all over the Net and read stuff
>>> written by who knows who. Like you said: Oh, it's on Wikipediea -- it
>>> must be true! Non-hp and non-wikipedia sites are going to be as good?
>> Frequently the best answer comes from someone who has already done it.
> 
> And frequently those answers are RTFM, but not this time! And who has
> already done this search for similar secret operators and how to find
> him?
> 
>>
>>
>>> [...]
> [...]
> 
>>> [...]
>>>> So complain to MS.  I think the fact that the online VMS docs don't
>>>> include an equivalent to the Unix apropos command as a serious
>>>> shortcoming.  We all have our pet peeves.  :-)
>>> Well, there is Help Hints, and I can't remember the last time I was on
>>> a Unix system that actually _had_ apropos.
>> Huh?  I can't remember one that didn't.  Oh wait, anything runnng real
>> AT&T SYS V.  They didn't provide any manuals. expecting you to buy paper
>> one's from Prentice-Hall.  No man pages, no apropos. And we all know how
>> well AT&T did in the IT business.  :-)
>>
>> So, what current version of Unix are you using that does not support the
>> apropos or "man -k" command?  (Hint: they are the exact same command!)
> 
> bash-3.00$ apropos
> apropos what?
> bash-3.00$ aspopos copy
> bash: aspopos: command not found
> bash-3.00$ man -k
> usage:  man [-] [-adFlrt] [-M path] [-T macro-package ] [ -s section ]
> name ...
>         man [-M path] -k keyword ...
>         man [-M path] -f file ...
> bash-3.00$ man -k copy
> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
> bash-3.00$
> 
> OK, how do I learn how to copy? How do I find out the version? I know
> it's Solaris something, probably 8.
> 

cp
uname -r

In the more general case you buy or borrow a book called "Solaris for 
Complete Idiots", or some similar title.  You can generally find one or 
three at  a big book store.  Or, you can just go to Amazon.com and 
search for "Solaris".  You will probably have to qualify that because 
the name "Solaris" is used for other things than Operating Systems.

When you finish the book, you'll still be a complete idiot but you may 
have learned how to copy, how to find out the O/S version, etc.  Note 
that getting hard copy output is part of the advanced course!!