[Info-vax] "Shanghai Stock Exchange" and OpenVMS

[Richard B. Gilbert]

Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> In article <bd8d2755-bb5f-4705-af3a-3af60797bce9 at r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> 	AEF <spamsink2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>> On Jan 27, 9:56 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>> AEF wrote:
>>>> On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>> In article <19dfe02a-d7a7-4d0c-be27-1c4ba069a... at f18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>> On Jan 27, 10:14 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> AEF wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 10:16 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <342d9c74-0b26-4c4b-9dd2-527d08958... at o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <5288d49e-e43a-463e-a02c-bffcf1393... at o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 9:38 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <05b548fd-8d1f-48c9-80c4-777bf5f6c... at q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 8:41 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <abd32391-46d6-49e4-aa1c-58d74dcc7... at p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 3:31 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <CKqdnel_5rWYS-XUnZ2dnUVZ_v_in... at giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <0005d0dd$0$2088$c3e8... at news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam... at vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> So complain to MS.  I think the fact that the online VMS docs don't
>>>>>>>>>>> include an equivalent to the Unix apropos command as a serious
>>>>>>>>>>> shortcoming.  We all have our pet peeves.  :-)
>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is Help Hints, and I can't remember the last time I was on
>>>>>>>>>> a Unix system that actually _had_ apropos.
>>>>>>>>> Huh?  I can't remember one that didn't.  Oh wait, anything runnng real
>>>>>>>>> AT&T SYS V.  They didn't provide any manuals. expecting you to buy paper
>>>>>>>>> one's from Prentice-Hall.  No man pages, no apropos. And we all know how
>>>>>>>>> well AT&T did in the IT business.  :-)
>>>>>>>>> So, what current version of Unix are you using that does not support the
>>>>>>>>> apropos or "man -k" command?  (Hint: they are the exact same command!)
>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ apropos
>>>>>>>> apropos what?
>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ aspopos copy
>>>>>>>> bash: aspopos: command not found
>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k
>>>>>>>> usage:  man [-] [-adFlrt] [-M path] [-T macro-package ] [ -s section ]
>>>>>>>> name ...
>>>>>>>>         man [-M path] -k keyword ...
>>>>>>>>         man [-M path] -f file ...
>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k copy
>>>>>>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$
>>>>>> I misspelled apropos. It was late. (\&-){
>>>>>>                                      \ /
>>>>>>                                       V
>>>>>> Here's the corrected version:
>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k copy
>>>>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>>>>> bash-3.00$ apropos copy
>>>>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k
>>>>>> usage:  man [-] [-adFlrt] [-M path] [-T macro-package ] [ -s section ]
>>>>>> name ...
>>>>>>         man [-M path] -k keyword ...
>>>>>>         man [-M path] -f file ...
>>>>>> bash-3.00$ apropos
>>>>>> apropos what?
>>>>>> bash-3.00$
>>>>> My suggestion.  Stop using Unix.
>>>> Now how is that going to show me how to use the apropos command?
>>>>>>>> OK, how do I learn how to copy? How do I find out the version? I know
>>>>>>>> it's Solaris something, probably 8.
>>>>>>> cp
>>>> Yes, I know that's the copy command. I was wondering how you use the
>>>> apropos command. I thought you were supposed to give it a search word
>>>> like copy and it would come up with the man page for cp or something
>>>> like that. I guess I'll have to hunt down the answer on the Web. I
>>>> even tried man apropos and it says:
>>>> NAME
>>>>      apropos - locate commands by keyword lookup
>>>> SYNOPSIS
>>>>      apropos keyword...
>>>> DESCRIPTION
>>>>      The apropos utility displays  the  man  page  name,  section
>>>>      number, and a short description for each man page whose NAME
>>>>      line contains keyword.  This information is contained in the
>>>> Okay, copy is in the "NAME line" for cp, yet apropos copy does not
>>>> give the man page for cp or even mention cp:
>>>> NAME
>>>>      cp - copy files
>>>> Okay, the keyword 'copy' is in the NAME line. But:
>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k copy files
>>> Try man -k "copy files"
>>>
>>> It's all in knowing how!
>> Except when it doesn't work:
>> bash-3.00$ man -k "copy files"
>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>> bash-3.00$
> 
> How many people need to tell you that the apropos db is usually not built by
> default to allow for the addition of local commands.  It took all of about
> 15 seconds to find the command for Solaris to build that using Google.
> 
> Login as root and type "catman -w -M"  and then try it again.  Someone
> else already posted this but I guess you would rather complain than fix
> it.
> 
>> And even if it did work, do I really need to enter that exact phrase
>> "copy files"? Doesn't that kind of defeat the entire purpose of the
>> command?
> 
> No, you can just enter "man 0k copy" or "apropos copy".  just be prepared
> for more than you bargained for because you can certainly copy a lot more
> than just files on Unix.
> 
> And, incase tou haven't figured it out yet, yes, "apropos" is an alias
> for "man -k".
> 
>> Evidently, apropos just isn't set up correctly on this system. Maybe
>> if it were set up correctly it would be as Good as Bill Gunshannon
>> says.
> 
> You know, I have less trouble with freshman.
> 

Bill, I believe you are getting vicious in your old age! ;-)