[Info-vax] "Shanghai Stock Exchange" and OpenVMS
Bill Gunshannon
billg999 at cs.uofs.edu
Wed Jan 28 10:55:30 EST 2009
In article <-r-dnd6y7Lwf5x3UnZ2dnUVZ_uednZ2d at giganews.com>,
"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> In article <bd8d2755-bb5f-4705-af3a-3af60797bce9 at r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> AEF <spamsink2001 at yahoo.com> writes:
>>> On Jan 27, 9:56 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> AEF wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 27, 12:13 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>> In article <19dfe02a-d7a7-4d0c-be27-1c4ba069a... at f18g2000vbf.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>> On Jan 27, 10:14 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> AEF wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 26, 10:16 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <342d9c74-0b26-4c4b-9dd2-527d08958... at o36g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 3:59 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <5288d49e-e43a-463e-a02c-bffcf1393... at o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 9:38 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <05b548fd-8d1f-48c9-80c4-777bf5f6c... at q35g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 8:41 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <abd32391-46d6-49e4-aa1c-58d74dcc7... at p2g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 3:31 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <CKqdnel_5rWYS-XUnZ2dnUVZ_v_in... at giganews.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <0005d0dd$0$2088$c3e8... at news.astraweb.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spam... at vaxination.ca> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>> So complain to MS. I think the fact that the online VMS docs don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> include an equivalent to the Unix apropos command as a serious
>>>>>>>>>>>> shortcoming. We all have our pet peeves. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is Help Hints, and I can't remember the last time I was on
>>>>>>>>>>> a Unix system that actually _had_ apropos.
>>>>>>>>>> Huh? I can't remember one that didn't. Oh wait, anything runnng real
>>>>>>>>>> AT&T SYS V. They didn't provide any manuals. expecting you to buy paper
>>>>>>>>>> one's from Prentice-Hall. No man pages, no apropos. And we all know how
>>>>>>>>>> well AT&T did in the IT business. :-)
>>>>>>>>>> So, what current version of Unix are you using that does not support the
>>>>>>>>>> apropos or "man -k" command? (Hint: they are the exact same command!)
>>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ apropos
>>>>>>>>> apropos what?
>>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ aspopos copy
>>>>>>>>> bash: aspopos: command not found
>>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k
>>>>>>>>> usage: man [-] [-adFlrt] [-M path] [-T macro-package ] [ -s section ]
>>>>>>>>> name ...
>>>>>>>>> man [-M path] -k keyword ...
>>>>>>>>> man [-M path] -f file ...
>>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k copy
>>>>>>>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>>>>>>>> bash-3.00$
>>>>>>> I misspelled apropos. It was late. (\&-){
>>>>>>> \ /
>>>>>>> V
>>>>>>> Here's the corrected version:
>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k copy
>>>>>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ apropos copy
>>>>>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k
>>>>>>> usage: man [-] [-adFlrt] [-M path] [-T macro-package ] [ -s section ]
>>>>>>> name ...
>>>>>>> man [-M path] -k keyword ...
>>>>>>> man [-M path] -f file ...
>>>>>>> bash-3.00$ apropos
>>>>>>> apropos what?
>>>>>>> bash-3.00$
>>>>>> My suggestion. Stop using Unix.
>>>>> Now how is that going to show me how to use the apropos command?
>>>>>>>>> OK, how do I learn how to copy? How do I find out the version? I know
>>>>>>>>> it's Solaris something, probably 8.
>>>>>>>> cp
>>>>> Yes, I know that's the copy command. I was wondering how you use the
>>>>> apropos command. I thought you were supposed to give it a search word
>>>>> like copy and it would come up with the man page for cp or something
>>>>> like that. I guess I'll have to hunt down the answer on the Web. I
>>>>> even tried man apropos and it says:
>>>>> NAME
>>>>> apropos - locate commands by keyword lookup
>>>>> SYNOPSIS
>>>>> apropos keyword...
>>>>> DESCRIPTION
>>>>> The apropos utility displays the man page name, section
>>>>> number, and a short description for each man page whose NAME
>>>>> line contains keyword. This information is contained in the
>>>>> Okay, copy is in the "NAME line" for cp, yet apropos copy does not
>>>>> give the man page for cp or even mention cp:
>>>>> NAME
>>>>> cp - copy files
>>>>> Okay, the keyword 'copy' is in the NAME line. But:
>>>>> bash-3.00$ man -k copy files
>>>> Try man -k "copy files"
>>>>
>>>> It's all in knowing how!
>>> Except when it doesn't work:
>>> bash-3.00$ man -k "copy files"
>>> /usr/share/man/windex: No such file or directory
>>> bash-3.00$
>>
>> How many people need to tell you that the apropos db is usually not built by
>> default to allow for the addition of local commands. It took all of about
>> 15 seconds to find the command for Solaris to build that using Google.
>>
>> Login as root and type "catman -w -M" and then try it again. Someone
>> else already posted this but I guess you would rather complain than fix
>> it.
>>
>>> And even if it did work, do I really need to enter that exact phrase
>>> "copy files"? Doesn't that kind of defeat the entire purpose of the
>>> command?
>>
>> No, you can just enter "man 0k copy" or "apropos copy". just be prepared
>> for more than you bargained for because you can certainly copy a lot more
>> than just files on Unix.
>>
>> And, incase tou haven't figured it out yet, yes, "apropos" is an alias
>> for "man -k".
>>
>>> Evidently, apropos just isn't set up correctly on this system. Maybe
>>> if it were set up correctly it would be as Good as Bill Gunshannon
>>> says.
>>
>> You know, I have less trouble with freshman.
>>
>
> Bill, I believe you are getting vicious in your old age! ;-)
Sorry, I expect more of IT Professionals than I do from college freshman.
It really is about bias. If one comes into this already convinced that
they hate Unix and it can never be of any use, nothing is going to change
their mind. Reminds me of a certain quote from Babbage. :-)
bill
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