[Info-vax] "Shanghai Stock Exchange" and OpenVMS

[AEF]

On Jan 28, 8:05 pm,
pech... at bandit.pechter.dyndns.org.pechter.dyndns.org (Bill Pechter)
wrote:
> In article <39090d29-e4da-40e3-9e97-b51334d4a... at w34g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
>
>
>
> AEF  <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 28, 10:15 am, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
> >> In article
> ><bd8d2755-bb5f-4705-af3a-3af60797b... at r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
> >>         AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>
[...]

[...]
> >> How many people need to tell you that the apropos db is usually not built by
> >> default to allow for the addition of local commands.  It took all of about
> >> 15 seconds to find the command for Solaris to build that using Google.
>
> >Two. :=)

Also, some posters are in my "kill file". So maybe I didn't read their
posts.

>
> >I'm unaware of how I can go on the Net with this box, so that's the
> >same as your VT420 remark. :-P
>
> >> Login as root and type "catman -w -M"  and then try it again.  Someone
> >> else already posted this but I guess you would rather complain than fix
> >> it.
>
> >I don't have root.
>
> >(Got root? :-)
>
> >> > And even if it did work, do I really need to enter that exact phrase
> >> > "copy files"? Doesn't that kind of defeat the entire purpose of the
> >> > command?
>
> >> No, you can just enter "man 0k copy" or "apropos copy".  just be prepared
> >> for more than you bargained for because you can certainly copy a lot more
> >> than just files on Unix.
>
> >Well, it doesn't work at all until someone sets it up. If apropos is
> >so good, why didn't someone set it up? Why isn't it set up out of the
> >box? VMS HELP is, I believe.
>
> The reason is historical.  Some Unix boxes don't have the disk space for the
> database index.  Some NFS mount their man pages from another machine and don't
> need the database on a local disk.

Well just how big is it? It's so big, . . . (fill in your own Johnny
Carson joke here) .

What does the second sentence mean? So the database is on a non-local
disk. So that's why it doesn't work? Say what?

> The answer is it requires a someone with the professional knowledge to
> correctly install it.  There are already pre-installed cron jobs to maintain
> both the catman man pages and the kwic (key-words-in-context) database
> of Unix man pages.  They just need to be uncommented on most machines.

OK, so I can't check out apropos. I'll see if a Unix admin where I
work will set it up, or I'll try it on my Mac when I'm back home.

> Some sites didn't have the nroff/troff needed to process man pages and used prebuilt catman pages.

And that means . . . ?

>
> The files section of the catman man page on this linux box:
>
> FILES
>        /etc/manpath.config
>               man-db configuration file.
>
>        /usr/man/index.(bt|db|dir|pag)
>               A traditional global index database cache.
>
>        /var/catman/index.(bt|db|dir|pag)
>               An alternate or FSSTND compliant global index database cache.
>
> The file /etc/cron.daily/man-db is the cron job to  regenerate man database.
>
> BSD used a mkwhatis (or was it makewhatis)...
>
> When you do a man -k whatis you also come across.
>
> SEE ALSO
>        apropos(1), man(1), mandb(8).
>
>
>
> >> And, incase tou haven't figured it out yet, yes, "apropos" is an alias
> >> for "man -k".
>
> >Yes, but I find it strange that you don't see that in some
> >circumstances (don't have time right now to produce an example).
>
> >> > Evidently, apropos just isn't set up correctly on this system. Maybe
> >> > if it were set up correctly it would be as Good as Bill Gunshannon
> >> > says.
>
> >> You know, I have less trouble with freshman.
>
> >Why thank you, doctor.

Uh, I think that should be:

   Why, thank you, doctor.

>
> >> bill
>
> >> --
> >> Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves
> >> billg... at cs.scranton.edu |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
> >> University of Scranton   |
> >> Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>  - Hide
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> >> - Show quoted text -
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> >AEF
>
> Some of us made a living teaching Unix/Linux Systems Administration until
> the powers that be decided to let more and more people "just figure it out"
> to save costs.

I can't wait till they do that for brain surgeons. Think of the
savings!

>
> Also, many of the training costs train -- they teach what to do but they don't
> take the time to supply the "Why do we do it that way?" answers which in
> Unix's case are often historical and hysterical.

"training costs train"? What?

I like that: his torical and his terical. Nice.

>
> I had one 25 year sysadmin/developer tell me in 94 or so that he would kill
> -9 cron and restart it after editing the crontab file for some user.
>
> Kind of very v7 old school.  I pointed him to the crontab -e command and told
> him AT&T reworked that one in either SysIII (IIRC) or SysV.

Wow. Even I know this 'trick'!

> That was probably the only new thing he learned in my class but he seemed
> happy to get that.
>
> Bill
> --
> --
> Digital had it then.  Don't you wish you could buy it now!
>               pechter-at-pechter.dyndns.org

AEF