[Info-vax] Ctrl-Ecf

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <N4Vpm.11379$U5.152003 at newsb.telia.net>,
> =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
> writes:
>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article <4aa7f16e$0$83243$e4fe514c at news.xs4all.nl>, Robin
>>> Schipper <"thespriteman <remove_this> writes:
>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG schreef:
>>>>> WTF?
>>>>> 
>>>>> [Read only - use Ctrl-Ecf for console write access.]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ctrl-E and [c] and [f]?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> <ctrl>+<e> <c> <f>
>>>> 
>>>> no capitals,
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck.
>>> OK.  That doesn't jive with  CTRL-e c f.  Regardless, it doesn't 
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> CTRL is a modifier key AFAIAC.  It doesn't typically function as a
>>> key value by itself.  According to the console help:
>>> 
>>> | Executing CO command from the main MP menu provides a mirrored
>>> version of the | OS console.  All users connected to the console see
>>> the same output. Verify | that all mirrored consoles are of the same
>>> terminal type for proper | operation. Only one of the mirrored users
>>> at a time has write access to the | console. Any user can get write
>>> access to the console, by typing CTRL-e c f | (not CTRL-e CTRL-c
>>> CTRL-f).  Write access is retained until another user | requests
>>> console write access.
>>> 
>>> I read that as: CTRL-E, lowercase letter key [c], followed by
>>> lowercase letter key [f].
>>> 
>>> No matter what I enter, I get:
>>> 
>>> [Read only - use Ctrl-Ecf for console write access.]
>>> 
>>> returned.
>> There is no cntl-upperacese-E. <shift>e = "E". <cntl> is just another
>> key to shift (zeroing a few bits in the ASCII) to make the ASCII
>> control character "ENQ". There is no normal way to enter <cntl>E...
> 
> I don't give a shit what goes in the stupid WEENDOZE/PeeCee realm.

Of course. Windows (note the spelling) has nothing to do with this.
ASCII comes from the first VT terminals (which I would have guessed
that you knew).

> A CTRL-E is and has always been 0x05 AFAIAC whether the shift key is
> depressed or not.

Yes, that's how it usualy works on most kayboards.