[Info-vax] Oracle and HP end Exadata partnership

[Arne Vajhøj]

Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
> Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>> Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote:
>>>>> DaveG wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 16, 7:36 pm, Arne Vajhøj <a... at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>>>> Rich Jordan wrote:
>>>>>>>> No direct VMS connection as far as I know, but its still HP.
>>>>>>>> Apparently Oracle's new Exadata boxes are Sun based.
>>>>>>>> http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE58E80D20090916?pageNumber=2&virt... 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oracle bought SUN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would look silly if they did not use their own
>>>>>>> hardware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oracle is "buying" Sun.  Apparently the EU has some questions on the
>>>>>> deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since Oracle and Sun are both U.S. corporations, does it matter 
>>>>> what the  EU thinks?
>>>>
>>>> It might matter to Oracle. If EU says "you can not do business here".
>>>
>>> I suppose the EU could do it but it sounds like a fine way to shoot 
>>> themselves in the foot.  Oracle users might have to move their data 
>>> processing to some place with a less heavy handed government!
>>
>> You don't think IBM, Microsoft, Sybase etc. sales people would
>> jump in?
>>
>>> It's very possible that such an action would violate existing treaties.
>>>
>>> If something like that did happen, I can see the U.S. taking 
>>> retaliatory action. . . .
>>
>> EU companies doing business in the US has to comply with US laws. US
>> companies doing business in Europe has to comply with EU laws.
>>
>> I don't think the US government would want to make changes to that.
> 
> But the root problem seems to be that EU would object to Oracle buying 
> Sun Microsystems!  Both are U.S. Corporations and not subject to EU laws 
> except those that apply to the manner in which they do business in EU 
> jurisdiction.
> 
> Suppose *I* bought Sun Microsystems.  Do you think that the EU would 
> have any say in the matter?  If so, on what basis?
> 
> I'm not saying I could afford to buy Sun but if an armored car just 
> stuffed with $10,000 bills showed up and my door. . . .
> 
> Would the EU have any jurisdiction in the matter?

If there is a potential for the combination of Richard and SUN
to have a market position that could prevent free competition
and the combined entity do business in EU, then yes.

I do not even believe that you would sit back and let
EU investigate - you would send in the paperwork for
approval.

Similar to sending it to the US government.

A couple of examples from other industries:
 
http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Business-international/GE-and-Honeywell-seek-EU-approval-through-stake-sale-GEs-purchase-of-Honeywell-earns-US-approval.html

http://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/news/news59951.html

Here something describing how Oracle applied for approval for their
Peoplesoft acquisition:

http://news.cnet.com/Oracle-seeks-Europes-approval-of-buyout/2100-1012_3-5091105.html

Arne