[Info-vax] Happy new Year !

[Richard Maher]

Hi Hans,

"H Vlems" <hvlems at freenet.de> wrote in message
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> On 4 jan, 01:57, "Richard Maher" <maher... at hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > "H Vlems" <hvl... at freenet.de> wrote in message
> >
> > news:c08f0307-0b75-4515-962b-fd609709d6d7 at 26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> > [lots of stuff]
> >
> > This is where the argument gets hijacked, or at least our paths diverge.
I
> > am not asking for VMS on the desktop, or even another bollocks browser
> > implemention. (God knows we've got enough of them :-( ) I am also not
asking
> > VMS to perform the best come-back since Lazarus and compete with
give-away
> > Linux. All of this, I guess, because I have never seen the OS wars as an
> > either/or proposition. VMS has a place and I maintain a very profitable
> > place in the OS market and with cloud-computing gaining traction then a
> > reliable, disaster-tolerant OS may be just what some are after? It's a
broad
> > church and all very multi-cultural out there.
> >
> > The problem is that customers have been unable to easily integrate VMS
into
> > their mainstream infrastructure and data centres. As I have said before,
the
> > answer lies in integrate , Intgrate, INTERGRATE and not emulate,
Emulate,
> > EMULATE! Stop being ashamed of VMS's strengths and stop trying to quack
like
> > a penguin. (But most importanly, get rid of the filth at HP/VMS that
refuse
> > to act on anything unless they can personally profit from it!)
> >
> > Regards Richard Maher
> >
> > BTW (in line with the topic) Happy New Year and I hope everyone had a
great
> > Christmas! There's plenty of life left in VMS yet and let's hope the
ghost
> > of Christmas future paid a visit to VMS middlemanagement this year.
>
> Richard, I'm getting the feeling that our visions of how VMS could
> survive in the future don't differ that much after all.
> I am not sure what you mean with VMS inability at being targeted at
> the desktop, or that it is undesirable.AFAIK
> there has always been terminal support in VMS and that is suffucient
> for me.
> As for seamless integration, VMS is quite good at maintaining data and
> databases. There was an Affinity program once,
> a vision of Windows NT worksations and VMS fileservers. In practice
> this didn't work too well owing to the differences
> in the filesystems at both ends. NTFS integration (here emulation
> could be an advantage) in VMS could be better.
> The point is that HP doesn't seem to be invest much in new VMS
> development. Perhaps the team in India will get the funding.
> If not then, well my crystal ball is on the blink, the future of VMS
> is probably determined by the time Oracle will support it.
> Hans

A picture paints a thousand words and I have just finished our two latest
example web-pages that speak volumes on where I see VMS's future lying. I am
now using Arne's very useful posts to explore the wonders of Proguard, then
I need to knock up a small Tier3ChronoLog class, and finally update the
KITINSTAL with a seperate sub-directory in T3$EXAMPLES for the new
Tier3Client stuff. It's all (very, very) good!

As far as Oracle support goes, I have to agree :-( But I can't see what more
HP/VMS could do to make them happy. Anyway, any VMSers forced to use *nix on
a daily basis *must* be experiencing incredible inertia and Windows still
doesn't cut it on the server. (Not wanting to get Kerry going but does
anyone else get these periodic e-mails "The following list of about 50
servers will be upgraded tonight. Let us know if you experience any
problems"? The real joke is that quite often some of the upgrades will at
least partially fail and no one tells anyone or knows which servers failed
what :-O

Regards Richard Maher

PS. If you have an net facing Itanium box that I can use to host my examples
then that'd be great! Ideally you wouldn't be running any web-server at all
and you'd have Rdb installed. (If you don't have an Rdb license then our
"prototype" license should cover it as long as you're not public access or
start doing your books with Rdb)