[Info-vax] Happy new Year !

[H Vlems]

On 5 jan, 01:02, "Richard Maher" <maher... at hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hans,
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> "H Vlems" <hvl... at freenet.de> wrote in message
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> > On 4 jan, 01:57, "Richard Maher" <maher... at hotspamnotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi Hans,
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> > > "H Vlems" <hvl... at freenet.de> wrote in message
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> > >news:c08f0307-0b75-4515-962b-fd609709d6d7 at 26g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
> > > [lots of stuff]
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> > > This is where the argument gets hijacked, or at least our paths diverge.
> I
> > > am not asking for VMS on the desktop, or even another bollocks browser
> > > implemention. (God knows we've got enough of them :-( ) I am also not
> asking
> > > VMS to perform the best come-back since Lazarus and compete with
> give-away
> > > Linux. All of this, I guess, because I have never seen the OS wars as an
> > > either/or proposition. VMS has a place and I maintain a very profitable
> > > place in the OS market and with cloud-computing gaining traction then a
> > > reliable, disaster-tolerant OS may be just what some are after? It's a
> broad
> > > church and all very multi-cultural out there.
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> > > The problem is that customers have been unable to easily integrate VMS
> into
> > > their mainstream infrastructure and data centres. As I have said before,
> the
> > > answer lies in integrate , Intgrate, INTERGRATE and not emulate,
> Emulate,
> > > EMULATE! Stop being ashamed of VMS's strengths and stop trying to quack
> like
> > > a penguin. (But most importanly, get rid of the filth at HP/VMS that
> refuse
> > > to act on anything unless they can personally profit from it!)
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> > > Regards Richard Maher
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> > > BTW (in line with the topic) Happy New Year and I hope everyone had a
> great
> > > Christmas! There's plenty of life left in VMS yet and let's hope the
> ghost
> > > of Christmas future paid a visit to VMS middlemanagement this year.
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> > Richard, I'm getting the feeling that our visions of how VMS could
> > survive in the future don't differ that much after all.
> > I am not sure what you mean with VMS inability at being targeted at
> > the desktop, or that it is undesirable.AFAIK
> > there has always been terminal support in VMS and that is suffucient
> > for me.
> > As for seamless integration, VMS is quite good at maintaining data and
> > databases. There was an Affinity program once,
> > a vision of Windows NT worksations and VMS fileservers. In practice
> > this didn't work too well owing to the differences
> > in the filesystems at both ends. NTFS integration (here emulation
> > could be an advantage) in VMS could be better.
> > The point is that HP doesn't seem to be invest much in new VMS
> > development. Perhaps the team in India will get the funding.
> > If not then, well my crystal ball is on the blink, the future of VMS
> > is probably determined by the time Oracle will support it.
> > Hans
>
> A picture paints a thousand words and I have just finished our two latest
> example web-pages that speak volumes on where I see VMS's future lying. I am
> now using Arne's very useful posts to explore the wonders of Proguard, then
> I need to knock up a small Tier3ChronoLog class, and finally update the
> KITINSTAL with a seperate sub-directory in T3$EXAMPLES for the new
> Tier3Client stuff. It's all (very, very) good!
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> As far as Oracle support goes, I have to agree :-( But I can't see what more
> HP/VMS could do to make them happy. Anyway, any VMSers forced to use *nix on
> a daily basis *must* be experiencing incredible inertia and Windows still
> doesn't cut it on the server. (Not wanting to get Kerry going but does
> anyone else get these periodic e-mails "The following list of about 50
> servers will be upgraded tonight. Let us know if you experience any
> problems"? The real joke is that quite often some of the upgrades will at
> least partially fail and no one tells anyone or knows which servers failed
> what :-O
>
> Regards Richard Maher
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> PS. If you have an net facing Itanium box that I can use to host my examples
> then that'd be great! Ideally you wouldn't be running any web-server at all
> and you'd have Rdb installed. (If you don't have an Rdb license then our
> "prototype" license should cover it as long as you're not public access or
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I'm afraid I have no Itanium system. All I have are fairly old Alpha's
and old means power hungry.
I can't afford to keep one of these beasts up and running 24x7.
Hans