[Info-vax] Happy new Year !

[Paul Sture]

In article <7r1bj7Fih4U1 at mid.individual.net>,
 billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:

> In article <-O2dnfFhV_LO6dbWnZ2dnUVZ_uOdnZ2d at giganews.com>,
> 	"Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilbert88 at comcast.net> writes:
> > Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> >> In article <01421939$0$20821$c3e8da3 at news.astraweb.com>,
> >> 	JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot at vaxination.ca> writes:
> >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Not sure I would buy that.  IBM had PROFS and a lot of places used
> >>>> it.  
> >>> The number of employees who had access to an IBM 3270 terminal in a
> >>> company back in the 1980s was limited.
> >> 
> >> Maybe where you were.  Aat the places I worked (including here) all the
> >> administrators had 3270 emulators in their PC's.  Some were coax directly
> >> back to the concentrators (I forget what IBM called them) while others
> >> used baluns to change the coax over to twisted pair to run over the new
> >> network wiring and then back to coax in the wiring closet to connect to
> >> the IBM concenttrators.  At Martin Marietta all the offices at the HQ's
> >> had 3270's and those of us who spent most of our time remote dialed in
> >> for access, again, using an emulator on a PC.
> >> 
> >> Like DEC, IBM went through a serious decline and at that point it
> >> wouldn't surprise me if DECcc took the lead fore at least a little
> >> while, but when they competed head to head, I don;t think DEC ever
> >> had the lead over IBM. 
> >>> Just about every Digital employee had an email account, either on
> >>> All-In-1 and/or VMS mail. It was the largest email/desktop installation
> >>> back then.
> >> 
> >> My experience differs and I have been doing enmail since at least 1980
> >> (not counting early Bulletin Boards which I don't consider actual email).
> >> 
> >>> IBM had a number of emails (PROFS, DISOSS, and others). DISOSS was 
> >>> painfull.
> >> 
> >> All I ever worked with on the IBM side was PROFS (well, and BITNET :-) and
> >> the installs at various coproations were massive considering the state of
> >> the IT world in those days.
> >> 
> >>> ALLIN-1 is just a couple years younger than VMS (started in 2002).
> >>                                                               ^^^^
> >>                                            I assume this is a mistake!
> >> 
> >> I was doing PROFS when the VAX was still in the 11/750 and VMS 2.0 was
> >> still in its infancy.
> >> 
> >> bill
> >> 
> > 
> > I think your dating is a little off.  VAX 11/750 was about late 1983 and 
> > I believe that VMS 2.0 was history by then.  When I came on board ca. 
> > March 1984, VMS was up to 3.x.  I think "x" was six or seven.
> 
> http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/timeline
> 
> Both are listed as 1980.  And that coincides with my memory of my
> first contact with a VAX running VMS at USMA.
> 

VMS 3.0 came out in April 1982, and VMS 4.0 in September 1984. For some 
reason (maybe it took time to reach the UK) I didn't see either until ~6 
months later.

-- 
Paul Sture