[Info-vax] OT: Arun Kishan

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In article <7r3ecgFii4U1 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>In article <4b4bee9d$0$272$14726298 at news.sunsite.dk>,
>	Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> writes:
>> On 11-01-2010 07:47, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article<hiev8l$oq9$01$1 at news.t-online.com>, Michael Kraemer<M.Kraemer at gsi.de>  writes:
>>>> Richard B. Gilbert schrieb:
>>>>> I was doing Unix, Windows and VMS at my last job.  The Unix was running
>>>>> on X86 hardware and supporting a typesetting application.  The Windows
>>>>> part was removing virii and worms and patching Windows to close some of
>>>>> the "holes" being exploited by said virii and worms.  The VMS support
>>>>> occupied very little of my time.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience the amount of necessary daily support is
>>>> roughly proportional to the number of users,
>>>> especially on the desktop.
>>>
>>> In my experience, it's been:
>>>
>>> Support person = ceil (1/(number of users on system))
>>>
>>> On VMS and unix, number of users on system is typically>1.  Regardless,
>>> 1 support person for VMS and unix.  However, with WEENDOZE, it's 1 user
>>> per box...
>>>
>>> Support person = ceil (1/(1 WEENDOZE user)) * WEENDOZE boxes.
>>>
>>> Judging by the size of some of the IT support groups I have encountered,
>>> the math may be a bit off with an additional fudge factor...
>>>
>>> Support person = ceil (1/(1 WEENDOZE user)) * (WEENDOZE boxes + fudge)
>>>
>>> Fudge is usually for the support of the WEENDOZE server to which these
>>> single user WEENDOZE boxes connect.
>>>
>>> It's like buying a car with a full time mechanic.
>> 
>> But for some reasons the CIO's have not figured that out yet !?!?
>
>So, when are we finally going to put this myth to rest (like the Cutler
>is god myth)?
>
>This place has always had a nearly one-to-one sysadminr-to-VMS
>ratio while I have repeatedly stated that I do more than a dozen
>Unix servers almost a dozen Windows servers and lots of clients
>(including student labs) and, at one time, several VMS systems
>and even some PDP-11's running vasrious OSes, with a one man shop.
>
>And, lets look at other sites I know.  When i was mobed I visited
>sites with thousands of users scattered over thousands of square
>miles being supported by 2-3 sys admins.  I just interviewed with
>a place that has over 20 Windows servers and around 10,000 users
>with a total support staff of 6 people for not only the Windows
>stuff, but for everything including the network.
>
>It really is time to get a grip on reality or a lot of former VMS
>workers are going to need to learn how to say "Do you want fries
>with that?" for their next job.

It's not a myth, Bill...  You've been around and doing this since the 
early days of the systems you've mentioned.  Look in the corporation's
IT department today.  Filled with kids with 6 month certificates and
their only claim to fame is that they're able to beat some video game
without cheat codes.

The son-in-law has been working over time for the past several days 
to bring a new WEENDOZE server on-line where he works.  Sadly, he's
very much a WEENDOZE zealot.  Even with 10 year of experience, he's
been fighting this system.  So, perhaps you should talk with him and
find out what apps they are trying to run.  I'll bet they're not any
you've encountered.  It's not always an OS (or in this case WEENDOZE)
only issue but one of the OS coupled with the apps runnin on it.

A large multi-national chocolate confection company where I did some
time a few years ago had one VMS system manager at each of its sites
and these sites had several VMS system.  They had server people that
were in charge on the one IBM mainframe and many more people support-
ing their WEENDOZE environment than I think there were users thereof.

Another site, a huge auto rental/leasing company, has co-located VMS
boxes.  One system manager that knowns enough to great accounts with
a DCL script (I wager he'd be lost completely in UAF) and how to re-
boot and change the tapes in the backup system.  These systems just
run along.  Their employees all use WEENDOZE boxes to access the VMS
server (database) for leasing info, payment and other tasks associated
with the business.  About 100 people in the main office and countless
others accessing remotely.  I've met at least 2 dozen people that are
on staff for the WEENDOZE support.  The linux web server they run is
managed by some outsource.

I could tell you about about a Healthcare provider and one large mid-
west public power provider with WEENDOZE guys put in charge of their
VMS systems.  The one guy was SOOO dumb that when asked to get info
from the system console, he would snap a picture of the console with
a point-and-shoot and email a M$ W(ei)RD doc with the photo incorpor-
ated within it.  If you think I'm making this guy up, there another
c.o.v. poster here who's had this character in a VMS training class. 

Just a few examples of the scope of the corporate IT staffing and the
level of competence (or incompetence) that's out there.

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