[Info-vax] More proof there are no OpenVMS sites/jobs in the DOD

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <00AA65EE.4A8ED8D7 at sendspamhere.org>,
	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
> In article <8k5aouFagkU8 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>{...snip...}
>>
>>Oh, I get it.  I have a very firm grasp on the job market, including VMS.
>>I just know better than to expect to find them popping out all over the
>>place especially where the government is involved.  I have worked with or
>>directly for DOD for over 40 years.  Over 30 of that directly related to
>>Information Systems.  I saw some of the first VMS systems to come into
>>DOD and I know where some of the remaining ones are.  Anyone who is
> 
> Then, you have an accurate count of how many we had at ARL/ETDL?
> 
> 
> 
>>planning on some unspecified "government requirement" to keep VMS alive
>>is going to be very sadly disappointed.
> 
> Once again, you shot this messenger for discussing another messenger's
> message.  Yeah, the term DoD is abused and misused to mean most gov't
> jobs.  I took a "DoD" job at GE AstroSpace years ago to work on NASA's
> Mars Observer and I needed clearance.  Clearly not because NASA is DoD
> but because there was work being done by GE Astro for the DoD.  There 
> was no need, however, to get so haughty because you are c.o.v's self-
> proclaimed expert on all things gov't and DoD VMS related.  I merely
> relayed what I found when following the initially posted URL.  Frank
> should be shot down too for posting the URL, I suppose, since it does
> not bode well with your "THERE'S NO VMS WHATSOEVER IN GOV'T" mantra.

I have never said there are none.  In fact, I have pointed out some of the
one's I am still very familiar with.  But they are all legacy and in many
cases still 9and will remain) VAX.  I also pointed out that the requirements
for approved DOD Information Systems are set by DISA, who I worked for
both part and full time for several years recently, and that DISA has no
standards in place nor any interest in establishing standards for the
approval of VMS systems.  That doesn't mean that one can not have one,
only that the procedure to actually get one approved is extremely difficult,
very convoluted and will involve signing off by a number of PHB's who will
have never heard of VMS.  How many people do you think are going to be
willing to "go the extra mile" just to have a VMS system in their shop?
And remember, we are talking government employees here!!  Just what is
it that you think they will want to run that would require them to have
VMS as opposed to any of a dozen other already apporoved operating systems.
 
Tell me again who has their fingers in their ears and is humming loudly.

Don't confuse your perception with reality.  I am not anti-VMS.  I am
pro-reality.  I fought the good fight right here at the University
until they basicly ordered me to get the VMS machines out of the labs
where they were wasting space. (To be honest, they did the same thing
over my PDP-11's, Sun's and SGI's.  :-)  

bill

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