[Info-vax] More proof there are no OpenVMS sites/jobs in the DOD

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In article <8k5he5FagkU10 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>In article <00AA65EE.4A8ED8D7 at sendspamhere.org>,
>	VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>> In article <8k5aouFagkU8 at mid.individual.net>, billg999 at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:
>>>{...snip...}
>>>
>>>Oh, I get it.  I have a very firm grasp on the job market, including VMS.
>>>I just know better than to expect to find them popping out all over the
>>>place especially where the government is involved.  I have worked with or
>>>directly for DOD for over 40 years.  Over 30 of that directly related to
>>>Information Systems.  I saw some of the first VMS systems to come into
>>>DOD and I know where some of the remaining ones are.  Anyone who is
>> 
>> Then, you have an accurate count of how many we had at ARL/ETDL?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>planning on some unspecified "government requirement" to keep VMS alive
>>>is going to be very sadly disappointed.
>> 
>> Once again, you shot this messenger for discussing another messenger's
>> message.  Yeah, the term DoD is abused and misused to mean most gov't
>> jobs.  I took a "DoD" job at GE AstroSpace years ago to work on NASA's
>> Mars Observer and I needed clearance.  Clearly not because NASA is DoD
>> but because there was work being done by GE Astro for the DoD.  There 
>> was no need, however, to get so haughty because you are c.o.v's self-
>> proclaimed expert on all things gov't and DoD VMS related.  I merely
>> relayed what I found when following the initially posted URL.  Frank
>> should be shot down too for posting the URL, I suppose, since it does
>> not bode well with your "THERE'S NO VMS WHATSOEVER IN GOV'T" mantra.
>
>I have never said there are none.  In fact, I have pointed out some of the
>one's I am still very familiar with.  But they are all legacy and in many
>cases still 9and will remain) VAX.  I also pointed out that the requirements
>for approved DOD Information Systems are set by DISA, who I worked for
>both part and full time for several years recently, and that DISA has no
>standards in place nor any interest in establishing standards for the
>approval of VMS systems.  That doesn't mean that one can not have one,
>only that the procedure to actually get one approved is extremely difficult,
>very convoluted and will involve signing off by a number of PHB's who will
>have never heard of VMS.  How many people do you think are going to be
>willing to "go the extra mile" just to have a VMS system in their shop?
>And remember, we are talking government employees here!!  Just what is
>it that you think they will want to run that would require them to have
>VMS as opposed to any of a dozen other already apporoved operating systems.
> 
>Tell me again who has their fingers in their ears and is humming loudly.

One, I did not make that comment; that was someone else here.  I only made
a comment about the job posted and its restrictive fulfilment requirements.



>Don't confuse your perception with reality.  I am not anti-VMS.  I am
>pro-reality.  I fought the good fight right here at the University
>until they basicly ordered me to get the VMS machines out of the labs
>where they were wasting space. (To be honest, they did the same thing
>over my PDP-11's, Sun's and SGI's.  :-)  

Have I been touting there are VMS job?  In gov't?  NOT!

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