[Info-vax] Not all HP jobs have gone to India!

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2010-11-13 15:20, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article<iblti4$5iq$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se>  writes:
>> On 2010-11-12 14:41, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>> In article<4cdcb218$0$2281$c3e8da3$c8b7d2e6 at news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei<jfmezei.spamnot at vaxination.ca>   writes:
>>>> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Your 100mbops access would cost half in France, and even less in Hong
>>>> Kong or South Korea.
>>>
>>> Got figures?  Competition is what drove the prices down.  I doubt that
>>> you'd get a /29 static subnet and 100mbps for $100/month in France, HK
>>> or South Korea.  If it is true, it is probably gov't subsidized.  The
>>> demoncRATS have been too busy subsidizing their banker buddies here to
>>> give a shit about subsidizing my internet connectivity!
>>
>> Sorry, but you don't know squat about the world outside the US, it would
>> appear.
>
> You've traveled so extensively?  And through the US?  NOT!  I bet you
> haven't ventured out of Scandanavia.

You'd loose that bet. I don't even live in Scandinavia anymore. Live in 
Switzerland nowadays. Was in the US last time in June.

>> The telco and internet market in the US is broken, but people inside
>> can't even see that. Since they don't have much to compare to, and want
>> to find out even less.
>
> The telco and internet market in the US has to cover a SIGNIFICANTLY
> LARGER area than in most other countries.  According to Arne's links,
> you should be shitting on Switzerland.

You should have read Arne's links a little better. The area is bigger, 
and the population is larger.
The population density in Scandinavia is in fact significantly lower 
than in the US.

And I feel no hesitation on complaining about Switzerland too. In fact, 
I live here now, and it's miserable and expensive.

But that is because here as well, it's more of a monopoly, with little 
competition and bad regulations. But atleast Switzerland is slowly 
getting better.

>> In Sweden, 100 Mb/s (both down and up) will cost you SEK 249 /month, and
>> it is not subsidized by anyone. It's just a result of tough competition,
>
> And that's how much in US$?

Jeez. Couldn't you atleast have finished reading the sentence? That was 
a seriously short attention span...

> Mine is 100mbps @ $100/month or 1mbps @ $1/month  which is SIGNIFICANTLY
> cheaper than the Arne's chart's 1mbps @ $3.33/month.

Aren's links was to the state in 2007.
As I pointed out, if you had just read 10 words more, the price in 
Sweden equates to about $40. Which is significantly cheaper than the US.
And that was without even trying to hunt for a good deal.

You are in fact a little behind Swizerland now (continuing to slip, as 
the report Arne referred to mentions was already ongoing in 2007).
I just the last month received the new offer from Cablecom in 
Switzerland, where I can now get 100 Mb/s for CHF 85, which pretty much 
translates to $85.

>> and good regulations. That translates to less than $40. (And actually,
>> that was just looking at the first ISP that popped into my mind:
>> Bredbandsbolaget, if I start hunting around, I might be able to find it
>> even cheaper.)
>>
>> And don't even get me started on mobile phones, or broadband access
>> through the mobile phone...
>
> I love my Sprint EVDO.  I traveled 2 summers ago across Pennsylvania (a
> 400 mile trek from my door) through 6 mountain tunnels averaging 1 mile
> and listening to 128K streaming radio and I never missed a beat.  That
> I get for $60/month!  Worth it for the convenience of ubiquitous access.

Do you think that's impressive? I'm used to have about 3 Mb/s on my 
mobile phone. (Switzerland is really depressing.) And access just 
anywhere I go, not just following highways.

> Most places here in the US now have free internet access (even the cable
> cos have put up wireless access and, if you have an account, you get the
> wireless access).  When traveling Europe, I have to pay about $24/day to
> have internet access.  That's a deal???  NOT!  $24/day * 30days/month is
> $720/month... that my good man is excessive!

Well, you should inform yourself a bit more. I definitely could not get 
free internet access in most places in the US. Not even in San 
Fransisco, where I spent two weeks. The Hotel had internet access, but 
it was so bad and slow it was a joke, not working a lot of the time. And 
I had the Bay Bridge outside my window.

Yes, roaming with cell phones is expensive, and you get into a big 
problem in Europe there, since each country have their own operators, 
and you can't travel far before you get to another country. So, you 
should do some research on how to get your costs down if you are going 
to use your phone to surf.
But in most countries you have WiFi access as well, and some of those 
are free, while some can be accessed if you have a iPass, which brings 
cost down.

Going to the US is bad though, as they have created this wonderful 
implied monopoly by using different incompatible frequencies and 
technologies between all major carriers. So with my phone I can call 
through AT&T or T-mobile, since they use GSM, but I can forget Sprint 
which are stupid enough to run a totally different system.
But if I then want to surf, ST&T and T-mobile use different frequencies, 
and manufacturers can't make phones that talk on both of those 
frequencies, with AT&T appearantly being the big headache, so people 
from just about anywhere in the world outside of the US have handsets 
that can only talk with all operators outside the US, and only T-mobile 
in the US.
And I won't even start talking about what the costs are...

Yeah, the US really rocks! It's not even a question of costs for 
foreigners coming to the US, it is basically a scenario of "you'll be 
lucky if it works at all".

And people in the US basically don't get the concept of "operator 
unlocked phone", because it makes no sense. Since each phone will only 
work on one operators network anyway. Talk about locking people in. 
Competition and open market? I think not.

In just about any country in Europe, youll find atleast two, maybe four 
or five different operators running, using the same frequencies and 
technology. So you better compete with something that actually give your 
customers something more, or else you're out of the market.

Sorry. I should stop my rant now. But really, the US is really not 
cutting the edge here. And they need to do something about it.
Read through the full report that Arne posted. It will be an eye opener 
for you. And it was written by an american institute, so it's an 
evaluation done by yourself on the problems you have.

>> Don't just blindly buy the "US is best always". Do some fact finding. It
>> might help you in the long run...
>
> And I didn't say that.  I merely pointed out that JF's perpetuation that
> US stands for Ultimate Satan is pure hatred.  He's complained to me on
> both the phone and private email about the fights he's having with the
> Canadian Telecom business.  When you get your head out of your ass and
> your ass out of .SE, you might see the world differently than what has
> been portrayed on your "squak box".  Now, I need to go back to clean-
> ing my 2.5 guns per family member, thumping my bible and trying to get
> the rusted ol' pickup truck and front lawn ornament started, and break
> apart some old shipping pallets so that I can build a fire to cook up
> the evening victuals I catch in the squirrel traps today.

:-)
I didn't know that JF perpetuated that the US was the Ultimate... I have 
several other candidates for that one, which I think qualify much better 
than the US. The US is a really nice place, but this is an area where 
your non-regulation and corporation dictated politics have hurt you a 
lot, and continue to do so.

No matter how many guns you wave, the US telco and ISP business will not 
improve. They will however be very happy if you continue to think that 
all is dandy.

	Johnny

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Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
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email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
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