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On Dec 4, 5:51 am, c... at wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote:
> Arguing against leftist dogma is futile, so I will respond no more after
> this.  Kool-Aid has no antidote.

See my other post about "Kool-Aid". BTW, Kool-aid, soda and the like
are poison. Diet soda? Maybe.

>
> In article <ec6f9b09-758d-4120-9d38-f6b9fc5f2... at v5g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > On Dec 3, 4:49=A0am, c... at wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote:
> >> In article <d5dcbef6-748e-4f57-a443-be0f2255c... at p2g2000vbj.googlegroups.=
> > com>, AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
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> >> > On Dec 2, 3:31=3DA0am, c... at wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote:
> >> >> In article <49436a33-0b2d-4974-93c4-cd6f86749... at b32g2000yqn.googlegro=
> > ups=3D
> >> > .com>, AEF <spamsink2... at yahoo.com> writes:
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> >> >> > On Dec 1, 10:22=3D3DA0pm, c... at wvnet.edu (George Cook) wrote:

>
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> >> >> The deficit as a percent of GDP was not shooting up until 2008. =3DA0T=
> > he
> >> >> deficit in 2008 shot up due to tarp and bailouts, but most of that mon=
> > ey
> >> >> has been given back with the result that his actual last year deficit =
> > was
> >> >> not historically high.
>
> >> > And how has the hundreds of billions of dollars for the Iraq war
> >> > affected anything here? Perhaps a few jobs, but not worth the price.
>
> >> The Iraq war is another topic, but, yes, it created more than a few
> >> jobs. =A0The Afghan war was likely a significant reason why the 2001
> >> recession was so short.
>
> > And it killed a lot of people. And thousands of Americans got horrible
> > injuries for life. Aside from that, how much spending per job was
> > this? And you say you are against gov't spending. This is the mother
> > load of all recent government spending!
>
> The constitution could not be more clear: the main responsibility of
> the federal government is national security.  You believe otherwise?

Yes, I actually looked it up. Check it out:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings
of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish
this Constitution for the United States of America."

The first thing in Article I Section 8 is the power to collect Taxes
and such! The second is to borrow money. The third is to regulate! All
the things you abhor!!! First second and third!!! Still waiting for
national security to come up. Yes, it comes up later, but is hardly
the main responsibility of the gov't. Extremely important, of course,
but there's far more to the document than that, including the other
Articles.

Sorry, with a little redundancy (I've already spent enough time on
this):

There's a hell of a lot more in the Constitution (which you should
respect by capitalizing) than Section 8, which itself mentions a lot
more than "national security" issues. And there's a lot more than just
Article I!

Article I:

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties,
Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common
Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties,
Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several
States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on
the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and
fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and
current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for
limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their
respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas,
and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules
concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use
shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval
Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the
Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and
for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of
the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the
Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia
according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such
District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of
particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of
the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority
over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the
State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts,
Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into
Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this
Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any
Department or Officer thereof.

> Yes, the national government sometimes screws up in making war, but

Screws up? The Iraq war is simply a "screw up"? Thousand of Americans
killed, let alone Iraqis. Perhaps tens of thousands of Americans with
horrible, debilitating injuries, include serious brain damage and
such. And this for a war that never should have been. Yeah, I'd say
that's a screw up.

> that has nothing do with with anything other than the taxes and lives
> required to support the wars.  When someone can't defend domestic
> spending (like you right now), they always point to a completely
> unrelated issue like national security spending.

I did defend spending. Without demand, no one will increase
production. Would you do extra work to produce extra product that no
one will buy?

No, it is not completely unrelated. If it weren't for the Iraq war,
there would not be such a huge Federal debt and the economy could be
fixed far more easily. We're talking hundreds of billions of dollars.

Jobs? You've got to be kidding. Sending Americans to death and
debilitating injuries is a justifiable jobs program?


> > I, for one, don't want to send Americans to their deaths and receive
> > horrible injuries in a war that never should have been just for a few
> > jobs and lots of profits for the military industrial complex. And what
> > about its contribution to the federal debt.
>
> War (Irag or otherwise) has no relation to wasteful and economically
> destructive domestic spending.  You believe that screwing up on security
> spending is justification for screwing up on domestic spending?  That
> is insanity.

Assuming you're right about screwed-up domestic spending, how is the
Iraq war not screwed-up spending? What difference does it make if it's
spent at home or on a war overseas that obviously should have never
been?

>
> George Cook

AEF