[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

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In article <jbsofn$him$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>On 2011-12-09 10.24, Kulin Remailer wrote:
>> Jan-Erik Soderholm<jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Are you realy saying that the US constitution in some way is a rule
>>> to decide what is socialism or not ?
>>
>> No, I'm saying the Constitution grants specific, limited authority to the federal
>> government. One of the reasons it was constructed that way was to explicitly
>> limit the power of the government, which is a protection against many evil
>> things, socialism / fascism among them.
>>
>>> Those that wrote that document had no clue about socialism.
>>
>> Oh really? And why not? Was socialism invented during your lifetime?
>
>Since this political drivel continue, and noone seems to think it is 
>totally out of order in a newsgroup about VMS, I thought I should add, 
>for the clueless, that indeed, socialism wasn't invented until after the 
>US constitution had been written.
>Which should be very easy to even look up on the net. Search for Marx.

Well, drivel drooler, socialism did exist before Karl Marx.  The so-called
founding fathers of the US Constitution were all rather learned men.  They
read many (all) of the contemporary political and social theorists of their
day.  The basis of socialism was well establish in their time; albeit, it
wasn't referred to as "socialism" until early the next century after their
commission of the US Constitution.  Engels and Marx, the fathers of your
"socialism", were espoused of the same social and political rhetoric that
yielded the US Constitution.  However, those framing the US Constitution
did not conclude that MORE government and MORE POWERFUL government, where
the individual took a back seat, were the answer.  They also saw the evils
of "democracy" and thus, the US Constitution does not prescribe to one.

I would suggest that, if you get to the US, you seek out one of the detail
tours of the Philadelphia State House (aka, Independence Hall) and listen
well.  I've been there and done so many times.

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