[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2011-12-09 13.18, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article<jbsofn$him$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist<bqt at softjar.se>  writes:
>> On 2011-12-09 10.24, Kulin Remailer wrote:
>>> Jan-Erik Soderholm<jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>> Are you realy saying that the US constitution in some way is a rule
>>>> to decide what is socialism or not ?
>>>
>>> No, I'm saying the Constitution grants specific, limited authority to the federal
>>> government. One of the reasons it was constructed that way was to explicitly
>>> limit the power of the government, which is a protection against many evil
>>> things, socialism / fascism among them.
>>>
>>>> Those that wrote that document had no clue about socialism.
>>>
>>> Oh really? And why not? Was socialism invented during your lifetime?
>>
>> Since this political drivel continue, and noone seems to think it is
>> totally out of order in a newsgroup about VMS, I thought I should add,
>> for the clueless, that indeed, socialism wasn't invented until after the
>> US constitution had been written.
>> Which should be very easy to even look up on the net. Search for Marx.
>
> Well, drivel drooler, socialism did exist before Karl Marx.  The so-called
> founding fathers of the US Constitution were all rather learned men.

Of course you can always claim that there is nothing new under the sun.
But the term "socialism" didn't get invented until the early 1800s.
1827, to be more exact (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism#History).
But some parts of the ideas that led to the shaping of the socialist 
theories did certainly exist before socialism did. Obviously. It didn't 
spring out of a black hole, after all.

But socialism as such - no, it did not exist.

	Johnny