[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[AEF]

On Dec 9, 7:18 am, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
> In article <jbsofn$hi... at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <b... at softjar.se> writes:
> >On 2011-12-09 10.24, Kulin Remailer wrote:
> >> Jan-Erik Soderholm<jan-erik.soderh... at telia.com>  wrote:
>
> >>> Are you realy saying that the US constitution in some way is a rule
> >>> to decide what is socialism or not ?
>
> >> No, I'm saying the Constitution grants specific, limited authority to the federal
> >> government. One of the reasons it was constructed that way was to explicitly
> >> limit the power of the government, which is a protection against many evil
> >> things, socialism / fascism among them.
>
> >>> Those that wrote that document had no clue about socialism.
>
> >> Oh really? And why not? Was socialism invented during your lifetime?
>
> >Since this political drivel continue, and noone seems to think it is
> >totally out of order in a newsgroup about VMS, I thought I should add,
> >for the clueless, that indeed, socialism wasn't invented until after the
> >US constitution had been written.
> >Which should be very easy to even look up on the net. Search for Marx.
>
> Well, drivel drooler, socialism did exist before Karl Marx.  The so-called
> founding fathers of the US Constitution were all rather learned men.  They
> read many (all) of the contemporary political and social theorists of their
> day.  The basis of socialism was well establish in their time; albeit, it
> wasn't referred to as "socialism" until early the next century after their
> commission of the US Constitution.  Engels and Marx, the fathers of your
> "socialism", were espoused of the same social and political rhetoric that
> yielded the US Constitution.  However, those framing the US Constitution
> did not conclude that MORE government and MORE POWERFUL government, where
> the individual took a back seat, were the answer.  They also saw the evils
> of "democracy" and thus, the US Constitution does not prescribe to one.
>
> I would suggest that, if you get to the US, you seek out one of the detail
> tours of the Philadelphia State House (aka, Independence Hall) and listen
> well.  I've been there and done so many times.
>
> --
> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker    VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG
>
> All your spirit rack abuses, come to haunt you back by day.
> All your Byzantine excuses, given time, given you away.

I think one should add MORE ACCOUNTABLE GOVT. And then there's that
checks and balances thing.

AEF