[Info-vax] SSH

[John Wallace]

On Feb 20, 4:40 pm, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:
> In article <ijr9gp$7f... at online.de>,
>         hel... at astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) writes:
>
>
>
> > In article <8scmptFc8... at mid.individual.net>, billg... at cs.uofs.edu (Bill
> > Gunshannon) writes:
>
> >> > In article <00AAB465.16D9A... at SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman-
> >> > @SendSpamHere.ORG writes:
>
> >> >> You can easily change the port with:
>
> >> >> $ ssh -p ####
> >> >> $ sftp -oPort=####>
> >> >> $ scp -P ####
>
> >> >> Don't you just love that unix command line uniformity? ;)
>
> >> Don't you just love it when people who haven't a clue about unix think
> >> some third party program is actually part of the OS.
>
> > Is there an official definition of what is part of the OS in unix and
> > what is not?  
>
> Good question.  I would guess every distribution has different things they
> consider their responsibility.
>
> >               Certainly I've heard many people complain that in VMS,
> > TCPIP is not "part of the OS".  
>
> Is it?  If I install Multinet is it part of VMS?
>
> >                                 The "bag of tools" philosophy is
> > certainly part of unix.  In any case, the syntax is unix-style, not
> > VMS-style.
>
> As it should be being as it is not VMS.
>
>
>
> >> > "When your unix sysadmin mentions security, he's talking about his job."
>
> >> Unix sysadmins have no need to worry about job security they have lots
> >> of positions to choose from.  
>
> > Perhaps because one needs people who remember all the cryptic commands.
>
> Why would (what you consider) "cryptic" commands result in more positions
> to choose from?  I think there is another reason for it.  :-)  Oh, and
> most real unix sysadmins don't find the commands cryptic at all.  In the
> eye of the beholder and all that.
>
> bill
>
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"Oh, and most real unix sysadmins don't find the commands cryptic at
all."

That's surely a classic biased self-selected sample though isn't it
Bill? It doesn't mean the commands are not cryptic (surely only a fool
would attempt to claim that), it just means someone who can't remember
(or can't be bothered remembering) all the myriad inconsistent
commands and options is probably not going to be (or want to be) a
UNIX sysadmin, and someone who has a good memory for perl, TECO
commands, line noise, and similar near-random patterns, is half way to
being a decent UNIX sysadmin.