[Info-vax] to upgrade or not to upgrade

[Paul Sture]

In article 
<4eab46b0-4353-4fb5-b1f8-a73749e5dc8a at q32g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>,
 Hans Vlems <hvlems at freenet.de> wrote:

> On 20 mei, 21:24, Ken Fairfield <ken.fairfi... at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 20, 11:24 am, pe... at langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER)
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article 
> > > <4d5c4850-3b29-4b27-baae-60d55f4f2... at z7g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, Ken 
> > > Fairfield <ken.fairfi... at gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > >On May 20, 2:29=A0am, pe... at langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) 
> > > >wrote:
> > > >> In article <ir3nr7$ta... at online.de>, hel... at astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de 
> > > >> (Phillip Helbig---undress to reply) writes:
> > > >> >It might be the last hobbyist upgrade. :-(
> >
> > > >> Don't think so
> >
> > > >Why not?  Do you have some inside information?
> > > >(You don't have to spill it here if it's a "if I told you,
> > > >I'd have to kill you" deal... :-)
> >
> > > Because I'm a hobbyist, too. And I'm on V8.4
> > > V8.4 was released last summer...
> >
> > > And I still don't think (but of course, don't know), that VMS hobbyist
> > > licenses will go away before next vms version, but that is not the point.
> >
> > > >> Latest V8.4 ECOs are from May-2011
> >
> > > >Available only to those with a support contract,
> > > >and currently there's no path to a support contract
> > > >for hobbyists.
> >
> > > Yes, but I'm sure, you know one with a support contract...
> >
> > Actually, no, I don't.  My company ended its VMS support
> > contracts last Fall.
> >
> > And personally, I wouldn't want to put anyone in legal
> > jeopardy by asking them to send ECOs to me in e-mail
> > or by putting them up for ftp, especially in light of HP's
> > current stance on the issue.
> >
> > > >I'm with Phillip on this one.  I have media for V8.4,
> > > >but no access to ECOs.  I'll stay with V8.3 until
> > > >or unless something changes... :-(
> >
> > > Why? Vanilla V8.3 is as worse as vanilla V8.4. And you now don't have 
> > > access
> > > to V8.3 (or V7.3-2) ECOs at HPQ either. And you know how to get V8.4 
> > > ECOs...
> >
> > > Are you assuming, that V8.3 is better because HPQ obviously no longer
> > > provides frequent V8.3 ECOs?
> >
> > My V8.3 was current on patches up through last
> > December or so.  That gives me some confidence
> > in it.
> >
> > I've "inherited" the V8.4 O/S kit, so I could upgrade,
> > but there is a required MUP no longer available to me
> > (I didn't jump to grab ECOs before access was shut off
> > to me), and there vanilla V8.4 bugs that have been posted
> > here that I'd rather not have to deal with, one in particular
> > involved that SSH, IIRC.
> >
> > I'll stick with a fully patched V8.3 for now...
> >
> >     -Ken- Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht niet weergeven -
> >
> > - Tekst uit oorspronkelijk bericht weergeven -
> 
> Yes, I agree with that. Since there's no access to patches any more
> and given the surprises in V8.4 I decided to stick to V8.3 on Alpha
> just like my VAXes are stuck on V7.3.


Ditto. The patch closedown came at the wrong time for V8.4.

-- 
Paul Sture