[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[Phillip Helbig---undress to reply]

In article <jat7je$akn$1 at news.albasani.net>, Jan-Erik Soderholm
<jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com> writes: 

> > (I do disagree with Jan-Erik regarding "working on the system"; I like
> > to work on the server itself as far as possible,
> 
> You mean, like using a screwdriver ? :-)

Yes, occasionally.  :-)  But also: doing essentially everything on one 
machine (or cluster) (the "server").

> It's not clear what "to work on the system" actualy means.

Read documentation etc.

> > not logged in remotely
> > from a Windows laptop or whatever.  But that is another issue.)
> 
>  From the systems point of view it doesn matter if I'm working "remotely"
> from a VT-terminal on the local lan or remotely over a VPN link
> over the internet usng Relfection. I do the same things anyway.
> And to me, that is always "to work on the system".

Yes, but you have to have something to run reflection.  In your case, 
this makes sense.

> Or are you talking about using some windowing system ?

I do use DECwindows (but also real terminals).  (At work, I used to have
a DS10 beside my desk; I had several DECterms on it from which I logged
in to various machines, ran MOZILLA on it etc.  After we moved to a new
building, this is no longer possible, so I am forced to use Exceed on a
Windows PC.  I use this to start the CDE interface then from there have
my DECterms as before.  It works well enough, but a) the PC is a single
point of failure and b) I don't like the keyboard.  (I could plug a
VMS-style USB keyboard into the PC, but I haven't figured out how to get 
the DECterms to react to it as if it were "directly" connected and not 
via Exceed, i.e. numeric keypad works as it should etc.)

> I have never used that, mostly because it's tied to some
> specific hw/sw setup, it usualy performes worse then
> VT-emulation remotely and it puts extra demands on the
> customer environment.

If you have server-heavy clients, they might not even have a license.