[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[AEF]

On Nov 29, 8:33 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" <rgilber... at comcast.net>
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> On 11/29/2011 1:17 AM, AEF wrote:
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> > On Nov 28, 6:12 am, AEF<spamsink2... at yahoo.com>  wrote:
> >> On Nov 28, 5:36 am, Alan Feldman<alanfeldma... at gmail.com>  wrote:
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> >>> On Nov 24, 10:44 pm, Michael Kraemer<M.Krae... at gsi.de>  wrote:
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> >>>> Neil Rieck schrieb:
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> >>>>> Us too. As soon as electronic docs were available on CD-ROM (IIRC this
> >>>>> was 1998-1999) we stopped the paper docs. It was better for us (cuz
> >>>>> the stuff was searchable) and better for the planet.
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> >>>> Is there any evidence that usage of (recycling) paper does
> >>>> more damage to the planet at the bottom line than production
> >>>> (and disposal) of equivalent electronic devices?
> >>>> As far as I remember the production of an ordinary PC
> >>>> requires about a metric ton of raw material and quite
> >>>> a bit of energy. And it is thrown away after three years.
> >>>> Even recycling that stuff costs energy
> >>>> and requires poisonous chemicals.
> >>>> And all this should be more ecological than a few hundred
> >>>> sheets of paper? Hard to believe.
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> >>> Damage to the planet? OK, I know what you "mean".
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> >>> Grow some more trees, I say. Paper is a *renewable resource*! It's
> >>> also recyclable!
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> >>> Can you recycle your pdf files? I think not!
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> >>> Another problem (real) with pdf's is that they're hard to read and
> >>> Acrobat is a brain-dead program. Even Preview on the Mac has problems.
> >>> I recently was given a pdf by my boss (uh, "manager") to read. It
> >>> contained screenshots that were near impossible to read. I printed out
> >>> the whole document (several dozen pages!). Now I can actually read the
> >>> damn thing, screenshots and all.
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> >>> I think I read somewhere that all this "paper saving" doesn't really
> >>> do a smidgen's worth of good, and just makes tree-huggers feel good.
> >>> It may not have been "paper saving", maybe it was recycling -- I
> >>> forget. It was _some_ environmental-type thing.
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> >>> Another step toward unreadability is the new Word default font. The
> >>> spaces between words are barely visible. Obviously this was done by a
> >>> tree-hugger, surely to allow more print to fit on a page, and hence
> >>> less printed paper overall.
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> >>> AEF
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> >> Actually, given all the printouts I see by the printers at work, I
> >> don't think these sliver-spaces are doing much good anyway. OTOH, I
> >> still recommend using one space after a period instead of two when
> >> typing.
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> >> AEF
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> > I meant all the printouts that the users never pick up.
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> > AEF
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> The paper, toner or ink, maintaining the hardware and depreciation are
> all costs that must be paid by someone.  Some organizations charge users
> for each page printed!

One of Feldman's not-yet-famous dictums:

You get what you pay for . . . or less!

AEF