[Info-vax] HP stopping VMS paper documentation ?

[Richard B. Gilbert]

On 11/29/2011 1:17 AM, AEF wrote:
> On Nov 28, 6:12 am, AEF<spamsink2... at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> On Nov 28, 5:36 am, Alan Feldman<alanfeldma... at gmail.com>  wrote:
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>>> On Nov 24, 10:44 pm, Michael Kraemer<M.Krae... at gsi.de>  wrote:
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>>>> Neil Rieck schrieb:
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>>>>> Us too. As soon as electronic docs were available on CD-ROM (IIRC this
>>>>> was 1998-1999) we stopped the paper docs. It was better for us (cuz
>>>>> the stuff was searchable) and better for the planet.
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>>>> Is there any evidence that usage of (recycling) paper does
>>>> more damage to the planet at the bottom line than production
>>>> (and disposal) of equivalent electronic devices?
>>>> As far as I remember the production of an ordinary PC
>>>> requires about a metric ton of raw material and quite
>>>> a bit of energy. And it is thrown away after three years.
>>>> Even recycling that stuff costs energy
>>>> and requires poisonous chemicals.
>>>> And all this should be more ecological than a few hundred
>>>> sheets of paper? Hard to believe.
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>>> Damage to the planet? OK, I know what you "mean".
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>>> Grow some more trees, I say. Paper is a *renewable resource*! It's
>>> also recyclable!
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>>> Can you recycle your pdf files? I think not!
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>>> Another problem (real) with pdf's is that they're hard to read and
>>> Acrobat is a brain-dead program. Even Preview on the Mac has problems.
>>> I recently was given a pdf by my boss (uh, "manager") to read. It
>>> contained screenshots that were near impossible to read. I printed out
>>> the whole document (several dozen pages!). Now I can actually read the
>>> damn thing, screenshots and all.
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>>> I think I read somewhere that all this "paper saving" doesn't really
>>> do a smidgen's worth of good, and just makes tree-huggers feel good.
>>> It may not have been "paper saving", maybe it was recycling -- I
>>> forget. It was _some_ environmental-type thing.
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>>> Another step toward unreadability is the new Word default font. The
>>> spaces between words are barely visible. Obviously this was done by a
>>> tree-hugger, surely to allow more print to fit on a page, and hence
>>> less printed paper overall.
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>>> AEF
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>> Actually, given all the printouts I see by the printers at work, I
>> don't think these sliver-spaces are doing much good anyway. OTOH, I
>> still recommend using one space after a period instead of two when
>> typing.
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>> AEF
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> I meant all the printouts that the users never pick up.
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> AEF

The paper, toner or ink, maintaining the hardware and depreciation are 
all costs that must be paid by someone.  Some organizations charge users 
for each page printed!