[Info-vax] Current VMS engineering quality, was: Re: What's VMS up to these

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2012-03-18 23.01, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
> JF Mezei<jfmezei.spamnot at vaxination.ca>  wrote:
>
> (snip)
>> It is possible that Bell labs collaborated with Berkele to develop Unix?
>> or did they develop it all on their own with Berkeley developing their
>> "me too" copy that was not as hindered with copyright ?
>
> As well as I understand it, Berkeley did all the TCP/IP stuff that
> went into Unix. Originally only licensed Unix users could use it.

Right. The sockets concept comes from Berkeley. But Berkeley started 
patching Unix long before anything like TCP/IP had even been invented.

Thinks like csh, vi, and a bunch of other things came out of Berkeley. 
Some of it is arguably probably best forgotten.

All of this should be on the internet, if you just search for it.

> Now, we might not be writing this on a TCP/IP based newsgroup
> service without it.

Unix was not first with TCP/IP, and Berkeley did not invent the 
protocols, just BSD Socket paradigm that many now implement.

>>> 3) Not that I'm a fan of Al Gore, but, hasn't that joke worn
>>> out yet?  All the man said was that he was involved in the
>>> funding for R&D and implementation.
>
> As well as I understand it, he was more than just a little
> involved, but a big proponent.

He was part of the decision makers that funded the whole thing for 
while, if I remember right.
Exactly how much should probably be looked up, if we really want to 
continue talking about him.

	Johnny