[Info-vax] [OT] Programming languages on Unix, was: Re: [OT] Unix terminal drivers

[Bernard Giroud]

Le 21/05/2012 17:31, Jan-Erik Soderholm a écrit :
> Bernard Giroud wrote 2012-05-21 17:21:
>> Le 21/05/2012 17:05, Dirk Munk a écrit :
>>> Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> On 2012-05-21, Paul Sture<paul at sture.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 May 2012 23:51:17 +0000, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-05-20, David Froble<davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know much (anything) about Unix, but with the tools on VMS
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> very capable input functions can be implemented. What's important to
>>>>>>> me is, on VMS I don't have to use "C".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strangely enough, I'm not forced to use C on Unix either. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My day-to-day languages on Unix include C, Ada, Python, PHP (work
>>>>>> only;
>>>>>> you won't catch me using it at home), and bash for shell scripting.
>>>>>
>>>>> I came across this rant about PHP over the weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> "PHP: a fractal of bad design"
>>>>>
>>>>> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/
>>>>>
>>>>>> Other languages I have used or have considered using on Unix over the
>>>>>> years include Fortran, Java, COBOL, Pascal, Modula-2 and C++.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was looking for a Unix COBOL a few years ago, but came up with a
>>>>> blank,
>>>>> though I will admit I was looking at free/cheap solutions.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The two I know about are:
>>>>
>>>> OpenCOBOL at http://www.opencobol.org/
>>>
>>> OpenCobol 1.0 dates from 2008, OpenCobol 1.1 beta dates from 2007. No
>>> updates in 4 years? Seems a rather dead project to me.
>>
>> No. It is not ! But Roger While is working alone on a major update. In
>> the
>> meantime, Brian Tiffin has just uploaded on Sourceforge the current
>> version, wrongly named OpenCobol 1.1 prerelease (or Beta) IMHO. It is a
>> mature project although there is still room for improvement.
>>>
>
> Who is the target for this kind of tool?
> A major company looking at porting their bet-their-business
> COBOL applications from OpenVMS to Linux ?
>
> I don't know...

Well, the post specifically mentioned Unix, and there is
no support in OC for VMSismes. It is more suited to
either IBM downsizing, or Microfocus/Fujitsu replacement.

>
> Or is it just for happy-hackers that couldn't care less
> if the tool suddenly dies?
No more development for an FOSS project does not implies
death. Anybody (with some specific competences) can take
the baby again at any time.

Bernard.

>
> Jan-Erik.
>
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> TinyCOBOL at http://tiny-cobol.sourceforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> TinyCOBOL development has now ended. COBOL is a language I considered
>>>> using on Unix but never actually did, so I don't know what quality and
>>>> functionality the compilers possess.
>>>>
>>>> I've found the following link which should give you a overview for the
>>>> other languages on my list:
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compilers
>>>>
>>>> Modula-2 is not on that list however, and can be found at:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nongnu.org/gm2/homepage.html
>>>>
>>>> That is the other language I considered, but never used so I also don't
>>>> know the quality of the port. Be aware that it's based on what is now
>>>> a old version of gcc (4.1.2).
>>>>
>>>> For Pascal, the GNU Pascal port is seriously dated, so you are probably
>>>> far better off with the Free Pascal port. It's been many years since I
>>>> last used either of them however, so my knowledge about them is not
>>>> current.
>>>>
>>>> Simon.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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