[Info-vax] VAX/VMS V1, V1.5 or anything older than V5

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2012-05-30 02:00, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> glen herrmannsfeldt<gah at ugcs.caltech.edu>  wrote:
>
>> Fritz Wuehler<fritz at spamexpire-201205.rodent.frell.theremailer.net>  wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>> If you like old stuff that was good way back when, why not run OS/360 on
>>> Hercules? It took everybody else another twenty years to catch up on their
>>> compilers (to be as good as they were 20 years ago) and nobody ever caught
>>> up to the OS.
>>
>> And you can even run TSO and see what IBM thinks of time-sharing.
>
> To be fair, TSO was no worse than what was available elsewhere *at the time*
> and in many cases, considerably better. Are you really going to tell me TSO
> edit is worse than flipping load switches on a PDP box (that wasn't built
> for another decade or so) or even using TECO (even though it hadn't been
> developed and wouldn't be for a decade?) Look at all the compilers that
> OS/360 had available, 2 versions of FORTRAN, PL/I, COBOL, RPG, and even
> things like ALGOL68, SNOBOL4, etc. There's a lot of fun stuff you can
> do. Show me another system from the late 1960s that's even half as capable
> or productive.

Huh? TSO was *introduced* in 1971.
There were lots of much better time sharing systems around already then...

> What was the state of UNIX in 1970? VMS? Let's compare apples to apples if
> you want to make smartass remarks about OS/360 ;-)

Happy to. Ever used TOPS-10? It was based on Monitor, which came about 
around 1967, and was renamed to TOPS-10 in 1970.
I'm sure others can come up with plenty of other examples... Unix was 
ported to the PDP-11 around 1971.

TSO was a dinosaur even when it was new. And it didn't improve much with 
time. I remember people using it in the 80s, with little amusement.

	Johnny