[Info-vax] newVMS, was: Re: [OT] Abbreviations, was: Re: Desperately Seeking OpenVMS ecosystem

["Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)"]

Le 08/12/2013 18:33, Simon Clubley a écrit :
> On 2013-12-08, Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer) <gerard.calliet at pia-sofer.fr> wrote:
>> What about existing systems in industry and other places which actually
>> use VMS ?
>>
>
> Then over the next few years, they have some decisions to make.
>
>> Do you think I'm not aware of that the real time has changed ? Or that
>> VMS has never been able of addressing all the problems ? Do you think I
>> don't know about lesser and lesser competences at HP ?
>>
>
> Given some comments in c.o.v recently, I think those are reasonable
> things for me to have pointed out.
>
>> I only try to do my job. There are lot of existing VMS system doing
>> importants things. For them a port represents real risks. Keep it in
>> mind, Simon.
>
> Yes, and if you move them to some new modernised newVMS, they will also
> see similar risks. It's the same reason why some sites didn't want to
> disrupt their operations by moving some of their VAX systems to Alpha.
>
> However, those sites don't provide enough income to continue with VMS
> in it's current form else HP would not carrying it's current actions,
> and most new potential VMS users will want a operating system with
> comparable capabilities to current operating systems as a minimum.
>
> That's just the required baseline even before you come up with something
> to make them consider your nice modern newVMS platform. If you don't
> have a unique selling point to make potential new users interested, then
> they are not going to try out newVMS and will stick with proven solutions.
>
> So let's bottom line this: what unique selling point will you offer on
> a newVMS platform which will make existing users of other platforms
> even look at newVMS ?
>
> You need to be able to answer that question before you waste time talking
> about all the other things.
>
> Simon.
>
All of that is of interest. But you think about mission critical world 
without thinking of its specifics.

A fabric with VMS conducting it, or a urban transport system guided by 
VMS, or some big reseller which uses VMS and its proper billions lines 
of code around it, has not same needs as our beautifull clouded word.

I don't say HP does care about that. HP works as a tie seller, or a 
washing soap seller, and does'nt care of anything, we all know that. I 
just constat that there is a (very little and specialised) market for 
long cycle life IT, and in this market VMS ("old" or "new") has its 
place. Perhaps HP could hear something about it, for example just to 
sell the last Itanium. Perhaps another actor could be interested.

However for the next 5 or 8 years some things are to be done, and it 
would be better if the fact of the existence of an OpenVMS ecosystem is 
prooved.

All you say is the global talk about global needs of a global IT market, 
and as says Moliere "c'est pour cela que votre fille est muette", (your 
daughter is mute).

What you don't see, or don't want to see, is there are specifics for 
mission critical market. And, yes, it is a difficult place, because no 
huge data, no rapid market. Just wait one or two years, one or two big 
troubles with cloud, and the (very little) market for mission critical 
could be anew of interest.

Bit in the mean time, as I predicted from the beginning (see my 
arguments on our site www.hpinterex.fr) , it is the "vms community" 
which is pleased to do the dirty job of "annoucing" the death.

And in the mean time, other actors (for example IBM), other communities 
(for example the REAL and POSITIVE linux community) would have done some 
thing and would get the job. (It is already done by IBM with its Z/os 
training and support of SOA).

The more you want to be defeated, the more you are. Or perhaps, you 
don't care : it is for a long time that you are'nt in the VMS community, 
and it is too sad for you others go on ?