[Info-vax] Message from HP.

[Bill Gunshannon]

In article <191220131444379853%me at thisis.invalid>,
	ss <me at thisis.invalid> writes:
> In article <bgrbr3Fnkm4U4 at mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
> <bill at server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote:
> 
>> In article <52a83521$0$22387$c3e8da3$f6268168 at news.astraweb.com>,
>>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot at vaxination.ca> writes:
>> > On 13-12-10 21:10, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Name one proprietary, commercial OS that has been released to the
>> >> world in source?  No. CP/M doesn't meet that definition.
>> > 
>> > Palm OS (or whatever it was called), released to public domain after HP
>> > abandonned plans to go mobile.
>> 
>> I said real OSes.  Palm's were glorified toys.  I can't believe that
>> people who think Windows is a glorified game controller wold even give
>> PalmOS/WebOS a second look.
>> 
>> > 
>> > Also, Apple makes the "Darwin" Unix open source, it is a glorified
>> > FreeBSD with lots of Apple add-ons (but without the apple gui).
>> 
>> Nothing derived from BSD is commerical proprietary.
>> 
>> Try looking back in history to any OSes that would have been used like
>> VMS was used.  Name one that you can get the source to today.
>> 
>> Primos -- DOS/E (IBM) -- RSTS -- RT-11 -- RSX -- IAS -- MVS -- VM-CMS
>> EXEC-8 -- RDOS -- AOS/VS -- GCOS -- DPS
>> 
>> And the list goes on.  Which one's are available today in source?
>> 
>> bill
> MTS!
> 
> 
> Not really released - so you won't let them count probably :)  - but
> never copyrighted and therefor available as source:

I'll bet you believe in the "legal" concepts of "abandonware" and
"copyleft", too.  Everything is copyrighted upon creation.  One does
not need to formally copyright something.

> 
> TOS/DOS
> AFAIR TSS too

Not sure what they are.  Can you elaborate.

> 
> OS/360 , MVT and MVS

These are available for free use in binary form, but they are not
OpenSource nor are they released without conditions.

> 
> VM370

I am relatively certain VM370 isn't freely available for anything.

bill

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