[Info-vax] Message from HP.

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In article <bhgc6sF7t3fU1 at mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
<bill at server2.cs.scranton.edu> wrote:

> In article <191220131444379853%me at thisis.invalid>,
>  ss <me at thisis.invalid> writes:
> > In article <bgrbr3Fnkm4U4 at mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
> > <bill at server3.cs.scranton.edu> wrote:
> > 
> >> In article <52a83521$0$22387$c3e8da3$f6268168 at news.astraweb.com>,
> >>  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot at vaxination.ca> writes:
> >> > On 13-12-10 21:10, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> Name one proprietary, commercial OS that has been released to the
> >> >> world in source?  No. CP/M doesn't meet that definition.
> >> > 
> >> > Palm OS (or whatever it was called), released to public domain after HP
> >> > abandonned plans to go mobile.
> >> 
> >> I said real OSes.  Palm's were glorified toys.  I can't believe that
> >> people who think Windows is a glorified game controller wold even give
> >> PalmOS/WebOS a second look.
> >> 
> >> > 
> >> > Also, Apple makes the "Darwin" Unix open source, it is a glorified
> >> > FreeBSD with lots of Apple add-ons (but without the apple gui).
> >> 
> >> Nothing derived from BSD is commerical proprietary.
> >> 
> >> Try looking back in history to any OSes that would have been used like
> >> VMS was used.  Name one that you can get the source to today.
> >> 
> >> Primos -- DOS/E (IBM) -- RSTS -- RT-11 -- RSX -- IAS -- MVS -- VM-CMS
> >> EXEC-8 -- RDOS -- AOS/VS -- GCOS -- DPS
> >> 
> >> And the list goes on.  Which one's are available today in source?
> >> 
> >> bill
> > MTS!
> > 
> > 
> > Not really released - so you won't let them count probably :)  - but
> > never copyrighted and therefor available as source:
> 
> I'll bet you believe in the "legal" concepts of "abandonware" and
> "copyleft", too.  Everything is copyrighted upon creation.  One does
> not need to formally copyright something.
Regarding MTS:
"In a letter dated 20 July 2011 the University of Michigan gave its
support and permission to make the MTS distribution materials and an
IPLable version of MTS available to the public under the Creative
Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License (CC BY)."

http://www.michigan-terminal-system.org/

> 
> > 
> > TOS/DOS
> > AFAIR TSS too


Predecessors of what now is known as z/VSE.

> 
> Not sure what they are.  Can you elaborate.
> 
> > 
> > OS/360 , MVT and MVS
> 
> These are available for free use in binary form, but they are not
> OpenSource nor are they released without conditions.
Have a look and read these:
http://cbttape.org/~jmorrison/mvs38j/
http://www.ibiblio.org/jmaynard/

That's the latest available MVS source:
http://www.mainframe.eu/mvs38/

> 
> > 
> > VM370
> 
> I am relatively certain VM370 isn't freely available for anything.
see above

-S