[Info-vax] VMS porting (again), was: Re: CPython has removed OpenVMS support

["Gérard Calliet (pia-sofer)"]

Le 30/12/2013 14:38, Simon Clubley a écrit :
> On 2013-12-30, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>
>> With that number of people involved then they can not all be good
>> and neither do they need to be.
>>
>
> And once again, I totally agree with all that. :-)
>
> However, my point still stands: when you start proposing the porting of
> VMS, then in order for your proposal to have credibility, you also need
> to bring along detailed proposals _and_ also show you have a understanding
> of the technical issues involved. This is required if you want to get the
> people with the skills to help you motivated enough to actually help with
> a port.
>
> The problem here is that when I ask Gerard for those detailed proposals
> and answers to technical questions all I get is more poetic rambling.
> That leaves the impression Gerard doesn't have the first clue about how
> to go about doing such a port and does not understand the issues involved.
>
> It would be nice if he _did_ have a detailed and viable plan as it would be
> nice to have a modern version of VMS on multiple platforms. However, just
> wishing for something does not make it reality; you also have to show your
> plans for turning the wish into reality if you want people to help you.
>
> Simon.
>
"A chaque jour suffit sa peine".

2 things I agree with :
- now the VMS engeniering is not able to do the port
- it is impossible to act like Linux communities, because we are very 
few compared to them.

But I don't say we can port today.

Today we have to do some things to SURVIVE, like formalizing VMS do 
works upon i4, like organizing our community to survive for the 15 next 
years (hp-3000 EOL was 2003 and there are HP-3000 today, and HP-3000 is 
very little compared to VMS ; we have official support until 2025...).

As said John hereby, we big issue is going out, yes, but where ? For 
example, in 2025 will HP be still here ? Will NSK have became a real 
realm ? We don't know.

Until these large futures, it is worth it saying we CAN do a port. For 
the moment, I agree, nobody knows who.

My point : an ORDERLY retreat is the task of the day. Noone can say who 
will win the war.