[Info-vax] OpenVMS Modernization Development Tools on YouTube (eCube)

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2014-09-19 00:44, johnwallace4 at yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> On Thursday, 18 September 2014 22:25:59 UTC+1, Johnny Billquist  wrote:
>> On 2014-09-18 22:46, johnwallace4 at yahoo.co.uk wrote:
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>>> "More seriously: the world isn't going back to the land of 7-bit ASCII text."
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>>> All these band-aids apply largely BECAUSE the RFC world **hasn't moved
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>>> on from** the land of 7-bit ASCII text, and in particular hasn't moved
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>>> on from the teletype era when applications and protocols had to be
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>>> designed to cope with network links that weren't 8bit clean. The RFC
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>>> world hasn't moved on from leaving dealing with those little details to
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>>> the upper layer applications, because it's "an application layer
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>>> problem". Yeah right.
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>> What kind of nonsense is this? 8 bit clean have nothing to do with this,
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>> and TCP/IP is always 8 bit clean. There are some protocols on top of
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>> this which talks 7-bit ascii, and of course those protocols will
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>> continue to talk 7-bit ascii. They would do so no matter what the
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>> underlying protocol looks like.
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>>> Oh hang on, we had this discussion not far from here a few days ago.
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>>> And the OSI world had it thirty years ago. And still the RFC world
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>>> doesn't "get it". Ho hum.
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>> Yeah, right. So tell me, how does OSI deal with Unicode? And how does
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>> your newsreader that talks OSI deal with transferring both text and a
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>> binary file in the same message? Or actually, how does news work over
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>> OSI in the first place?
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>> Oh? You mean the OSI model have not even thought about the problem yet.
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>> Come back in another 30 years, when I believe the OSI model will be even
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>> more relevant than it is today.
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>> 	Johnny
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> "There are some protocols on top of this which talks 7-bit ascii"
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> An application based on a protocol that cares whether it has an
> 8bit clean network link underneath is not a sensible modern
> application, OSI or otherwise. Such an application is almost
> certainly a relic from the teletype era.

A protocol that has been designed to only use 7-bit ASCII will continue 
to use 7-bit ASCII no matter what underlying protocols or capabilities 
offered.

Jeez. I'm getting tired of the handwaving about a 30 year old protocol 
suite that noone thought were any good even back then, and which 
definitely have not aged well since.

You can go on believing the OSI crap is worth gold. I, and the rest of 
the world, will continue to ignore you.

	Johnny