[Info-vax] Trouble in paradise?

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

Den 2016-01-12 kl. 08:28, skrev David Froble:
> Richard Maher wrote:
>> On 9/24/2015 8:14 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2015 11:00 AM, David Froble wrote:
>>>> The US doesn't have government health care.  In my opinion, it
>>>> should. Health care should be available to anyone who is in need.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why should someone sacrifice their kids' education to pay for your
>>> breast implants?
>>>
>> 8< 8<
>>> I believe in a social-welfare safety net! Even for the grave-dodgers
>>> that fill the Doctors' waiting rooms for a social outing.
>>>
>>> But I also long for the degradation in Jan-Erik's medical experience
>>> as he is invaded by economic refugees who also think his benefits are
>>> too good to pass.
>>>
>>
>> Not so Bolshevik any more eh? "Shut the borders!", "Tell Denmark to fuck
>> off!"
>>
>> Ah, hold the phone "The government and the police must collude to cover
>> up any mention of perpetrator ethnicity when reporting the sexual assault
>> of Swedish girls at the youth concert! At least until after the election
>> of our Socialist comrades."
>>
>> Yep that's more like the loony-left Swedish nanny state that we remember.
>> You just can't rely on adults making the correct decisions if they are
>> presented with ALL the facts. Soon they'll be pandering to populist
>> right-wing policies and having other "incorrect" thoughts.
>>
>> Is it true "Trump" is a Swedish name?
>>
>
> Not the best subject for c.o.v, but, well, here we are ....
>
> Congratulations, your attention span is a bit better than that of a gnat.
> Too many people "forget" way too quickly ....
>
> Before you blame Sweden (and Germany) for being loony, perhaps compare them
> to North Africa and the Middle east.  I feel that the loony-left in Europe
> will come off rather well in that comparison.  So, perhaps keep the blame
> properly targeted, so you don't become as misguided as those you attempt to
> ridicule.
>
> As for Europe welcoming the "refugees" with open arms, well, yeah, they
> have those pushing for "political correctness", and if they embrace such,
> they will get what they already got.

Now, neither "Europe" nor "Sweden" is a entity were everyone
think the same. In Sweden there are many (a majority) that thinks
that it's enough now and that wwe have taken our part.

In "Europe" (or rather the EU) there are other countries that
has close to none refugee, slightly rounded, compared to
Sweden and Germany.

> As an example, look at what happened
> in Cologne during the new year celebration.  This was nothing unexpected.

Agree.

> All the towel heads did there what they would have done "back home" should
> they encounter a bunch of women who didn't decently cover their bodies.
> They didn't come to Europe to embrace the customs and civilization there,
> they came to Europe with their own disgusting (my opinion) customs and lack
> of civilization (my opinion) with the intention of continuing to practice
> such, regardless of the customs and laws and opinions in Europe.

Disagree. There doesn't have to be any specific thought or will behind.
It is just a natural and expected outcome when you move young people
between such different background and cultures. Same thing as then
young Swedish teenagers from rich families went to the ski-resorts
in Austria and got thrown out because of their behaviour.


> In
> another era there would have been a more immediate reaction and solution to
> the problems.  Ah, how a good rope, or tar and feathers, are sorely missed
> ....
>
> But as you observe, we are our own worst enemy.  I got to ask, in how many
> countries would it be acceptable to have a quarter million dead and 11
> million refugees to keep an unpopular ruler / dictator in power?  Heck, the
> Chinese didn't kill so many in Tienanmen Square!  I'd call the guy (Mr
> Assad) Syria's biggest terrorist, and if the less than bright US government
> really meant to go after terrorists, there would have been a 2000 lb guided
> munition through the guy's bedroom window years ago.
>
> As for Trump, he's catering to the 'rednecks", who all think there are
> simple solutions to every problem.  It's the same thing Republicans in the
> US have done for many years, even though Republicans and rednecks are
> barely on the same planet.  Best thing that could happen to the Republican
> party in the US.
>
> Now, while it's rather serious to be blaming the terrorist problem on a
> religion,...

The root problem is to be found in the few years right after WW-I when
UK and France took a map and a ruler and created what is today known
as Syria, Jordania, Iran, Irak, Quwait, Saudi-Arabia and so on. There
was no thought about the actual people living there, only on the oil
that had been discovered a few years before.

The second couse of todays problems in the area is the creation of
a new country out of the blue in 1947 and the politics from that
country since then. That had created many of todays "terrorists".

And later talks from some remote leaders about a "crusade", while
dressed up in some military outfit, doesn't help, of course.
To talk about "crusade" when talking about the actual area
shows a major lack of historical and current understanding.

I see no direct solution to this mess in the area that has its
roots in 1923 and 1947 and later actions. And of course, there
is no military solution to this.


> (religion: mankinds worst enemy) at some time you got to be
> practical.  When Ebola was ripping through some parts of Africa, did the
> rest of the world welcome people from that area?  No, proper quarantine
> measures were practiced. So now that most if not all terrorists and such
> activities (Taliban, Al Quada, Saudi Arabia, and such) are all coming from
> Islam, where are the "proper quarantine measures"?  Where is the "stamping
> out" of the "disease"?
>
> Where are a few good "nukes" and "bio warfare" when you need them?