[Info-vax] Trouble in paradise?

[David Froble]

Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> Den 2016-01-12 kl. 08:28, skrev David Froble:
>> Richard Maher wrote:
>>> On 9/24/2015 8:14 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>>> On 9/24/2015 11:00 AM, David Froble wrote:
>>>>> The US doesn't have government health care.  In my opinion, it
>>>>> should. Health care should be available to anyone who is in need.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why should someone sacrifice their kids' education to pay for your
>>>> breast implants?
>>>>
>>> 8< 8<
>>>> I believe in a social-welfare safety net! Even for the grave-dodgers
>>>> that fill the Doctors' waiting rooms for a social outing.
>>>>
>>>> But I also long for the degradation in Jan-Erik's medical experience
>>>> as he is invaded by economic refugees who also think his benefits are
>>>> too good to pass.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not so Bolshevik any more eh? "Shut the borders!", "Tell Denmark to fuck
>>> off!"
>>>
>>> Ah, hold the phone "The government and the police must collude to cover
>>> up any mention of perpetrator ethnicity when reporting the sexual 
>>> assault
>>> of Swedish girls at the youth concert! At least until after the election
>>> of our Socialist comrades."
>>>
>>> Yep that's more like the loony-left Swedish nanny state that we 
>>> remember.
>>> You just can't rely on adults making the correct decisions if they are
>>> presented with ALL the facts. Soon they'll be pandering to populist
>>> right-wing policies and having other "incorrect" thoughts.
>>>
>>> Is it true "Trump" is a Swedish name?
>>>
>>
>> Not the best subject for c.o.v, but, well, here we are ....
>>
>> Congratulations, your attention span is a bit better than that of a gnat.
>> Too many people "forget" way too quickly ....
>>
>> Before you blame Sweden (and Germany) for being loony, perhaps compare 
>> them
>> to North Africa and the Middle east.  I feel that the loony-left in 
>> Europe
>> will come off rather well in that comparison.  So, perhaps keep the blame
>> properly targeted, so you don't become as misguided as those you 
>> attempt to
>> ridicule.
>>
>> As for Europe welcoming the "refugees" with open arms, well, yeah, they
>> have those pushing for "political correctness", and if they embrace such,
>> they will get what they already got.
> 
> Now, neither "Europe" nor "Sweden" is a entity were everyone
> think the same. In Sweden there are many (a majority) that thinks
> that it's enough now and that wwe have taken our part.
> 
> In "Europe" (or rather the EU) there are other countries that
> has close to none refugee, slightly rounded, compared to
> Sweden and Germany.
> 
>> As an example, look at what happened
>> in Cologne during the new year celebration.  This was nothing unexpected.
> 
> Agree.
> 
>> All the towel heads did there what they would have done "back home" 
>> should
>> they encounter a bunch of women who didn't decently cover their bodies.
>> They didn't come to Europe to embrace the customs and civilization there,
>> they came to Europe with their own disgusting (my opinion) customs and 
>> lack
>> of civilization (my opinion) with the intention of continuing to practice
>> such, regardless of the customs and laws and opinions in Europe.
> 
> Disagree. There doesn't have to be any specific thought or will behind.
> It is just a natural and expected outcome when you move young people
> between such different background and cultures. Same thing as then
> young Swedish teenagers from rich families went to the ski-resorts
> in Austria and got thrown out because of their behaviour.

I do't know anything about Swedish teenagers and Austria.  But I'd like to hear 
what they did that was as bad as a mass assault on German women.  Got anything 
like that?

What happened in Germany was much more than childish pranks.  There was intent. 
  It appeared to be pre-planned.  Sorry about your disagreement, I'll take it as 
an act against the civilization and customs of the German women, until you or 
someone can prove different.

>> In
>> another era there would have been a more immediate reaction and 
>> solution to
>> the problems.  Ah, how a good rope, or tar and feathers, are sorely 
>> missed
>> ....
>>
>> But as you observe, we are our own worst enemy.  I got to ask, in how 
>> many
>> countries would it be acceptable to have a quarter million dead and 11
>> million refugees to keep an unpopular ruler / dictator in power?  
>> Heck, the
>> Chinese didn't kill so many in Tienanmen Square!  I'd call the guy (Mr
>> Assad) Syria's biggest terrorist, and if the less than bright US 
>> government
>> really meant to go after terrorists, there would have been a 2000 lb 
>> guided
>> munition through the guy's bedroom window years ago.
>>
>> As for Trump, he's catering to the 'rednecks", who all think there are
>> simple solutions to every problem.  It's the same thing Republicans in 
>> the
>> US have done for many years, even though Republicans and rednecks are
>> barely on the same planet.  Best thing that could happen to the 
>> Republican
>> party in the US.
>>
>> Now, while it's rather serious to be blaming the terrorist problem on a
>> religion,...
> 
> The root problem is to be found in the few years right after WW-I when
> UK and France took a map and a ruler and created what is today known
> as Syria, Jordania, Iran, Irak, Quwait, Saudi-Arabia and so on. There
> was no thought about the actual people living there, only on the oil
> that had been discovered a few years before.

I've read this theory more than once.  It seems to hold together, and is an 
excuse some hold for continuing disorder.  However, it doesn't seem to me to be 
an adequate reason for continued hate.  I think the reasons may lie in the 
inability of some humans to act in a civilized manner.  Other parts of the world 
have gone through changes, and while there may be friction, nowhere else does it 
approach what's seems perpetual in the part of the world where Islam exists.

Recently there was an item in the news, a picture of a young woman, chained in a 
pit, to be stoned to death.  When I think of this, I look at my granddaughter, 
and think, how can such evil exist.  The only answer I can think of is, because 
we allow it to exist.

If this is religion, then I for one think that the religion needs to be stamped 
out, totally!

Don't blame Western civilization.  Blame the hate and disregard for human life 
that exists in some places.

> The second couse of todays problems in the area is the creation of
> a new country out of the blue in 1947 and the politics from that
> country since then. That had created many of todays "terrorists".

What?  Another Jew hater?  They are just people, like anyone else.  Don't blame 
them for the hate in some people.

> And later talks from some remote leaders about a "crusade", while
> dressed up in some military outfit, doesn't help, of course.
> To talk about "crusade" when talking about the actual area
> shows a major lack of historical and current understanding.
> 
> I see no direct solution to this mess in the area that has its
> roots in 1923 and 1947 and later actions. And of course, there
> is no military solution to this.
> 
> 
>> (religion: mankinds worst enemy) at some time you got to be
>> practical.  When Ebola was ripping through some parts of Africa, did the
>> rest of the world welcome people from that area?  No, proper quarantine
>> measures were practiced. So now that most if not all terrorists and such
>> activities (Taliban, Al Quada, Saudi Arabia, and such) are all coming 
>> from
>> Islam, where are the "proper quarantine measures"?  Where is the 
>> "stamping
>> out" of the "disease"?
>>
>> Where are a few good "nukes" and "bio warfare" when you need them?
> 
> 

It's all about "power", and what some will do for a little bit of it ..