[Info-vax] Where to locate software

[Stephen Hoffman]

On 2016-06-12 01:28:22 +0000, lawrencedo99 at gmail.com said:

> On Sunday, June 12, 2016 at 7:23:41 AM UTC+12, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>> More than a little of what causes problems with development on OpenVMS> 
>> — where to place files, how to keep applications separated, source 
>> code> management, digitally-signing apps, etc — is handled for the 
>> developer> within Xcode and within OS X.
> 
> If I were you, I would not use Apple’s proprietary way of doing things 
> as a good model to follow. Look to Linux instead.

This in a group for OpenVMS?   One of the most proprietary operating 
systems on the market?   Hilarious.

How about for not the first time I have had to state this in this 
thread, I really don't care where good ideas come from.

Designs ill-suited or inadequate for the future, however, bother me.

Now connect the dots here...

Point me at Linux?   Sure.  If I'm planning on porting off of OpenVMS, 
that's probably where I'm going.

OpenVMS needs to improve.   To become far more competitive.   To... sell more.

Desperately.

Now how do you do that?  How do you improve an operating system?

Sure.  Come up with your own good ideas, certainly.    Maybe also by 
examining and reusing good ideas from other boxes, too.

Some of which involve bundling of applications, sandboxing of 
applications, documentation and tools that help establish the 
environment, and repeatable deployments.  (Which is what started this 
thread!)    Among other details, of course.

Which has the point of my postings in this thread.   What's present now 
— on OpenVMS — is most charitably referred to as competitively 
inadequate, under-documented, or ill-distinguished.   Not going to draw 
in many new folks and little interest outside of the installed base, 
not easy to deploy or patch, comparatively poor TCO, and whatever other 
details you want to use as your measurement, here.   Are other systems 
significantly better?  Maybe.   Maybe not.  Some — which some folks 
keep running to for your comparisons — aren't.   But — in order to draw 
new folks to OpenVMS — is even being "the same" going to garner much 
new interest?

But then I'm getting the impression more than a few of the folks here 
replying want to see OpenVMS utterly crater in the market by doing 
exactly what it's been doing for the last decades.

Good luck with the outcome of that keep-OpenVMS-the-same strategy being 
different than what's happened with sales OpenVMS to date, BTW.   
Probably not going to change the trends.



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