[Info-vax] Re; Spiralog, RMS Journaling (was Re: FREESPADRIFT)

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In article <nkhf9i$7s3$1 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>On 2016-06-23 21:34, VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>> In article <nkhd0k$2us$2 at Iltempo.Update.UU.SE>, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> writes:
>>> There are plenty of ways to design protocols.
>>> Doing the size after the file will not allow you to have any
>>> understanding of how much space should be reserved for the file, nor get
>>> any idea of how far you are from completion.
>>> But that should not stop you.
>>
>> So I can get a silly progression bar graphic or, like on linux, file transfer
>> time left is 8 mins... 7 mins.. 9 mins... ... 10 secs... 5 secs... 14 secs...
>> 2 sec., nearly complete...  transfer complete.
>
>I was merely pointing out why protocols have been designed the way that 
>they pass the size before the data. You might not enjoy the results, and 
>you are free to design your own protocols. It don't change the existing 
>protocols, and it will not make other people change how they design 
>protocols, since some of them really think there is a benefit in this.
>
>> Anyway, there are web servers for VMS and several other TCP/IP protocols for
>> VMS.  You may need to ask those who have successfully implemented those how to
>> approach your issue if you don't want to use the RFM=STM approach.  I really
>> don't see why you think that's wrong.  *ix text files are streams with <CR>s
>> and <LF>s, and binary files are, IIRC, sent in multiples of a block of some
>> size (512).
>
>Uh? Say what? Everything in TCP/IP is just a stream of bytes. There are 
>no blocks, nothing is sent in any multiple of blocks.
>(And besides, text files in Unix do not have CF and LF in them. They 
>just have LF. Which is why I was complaining about Unix ftp 
>implementations, which often lies about file size, and sometimes cheat 
>when transferring in text mode. These protocols were not designed by 
>Unix people...)

How do they deal with those lies?

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