[Info-vax] PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

Den 2016-06-26 kl. 08:09, skrev David Froble:
> Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>> Den 2016-06-25 kl. 18:59, skrev David Froble:
>>> Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>>>> Den 2016-06-25 kl. 14:20, skrev Stephen Hoffman:
>>>>> On 2016-06-25 01:26:25 +0000, David Froble said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is it that whatever you use is great ... and whatever I use should
>>>>>> die?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are fewer keyboards with keypads, too.
>>>>
>>>> It's not what I'm seeing. Many new "professional" laptops has
>>>> larger screens today, and it seems as the manfacturers just as
>>>> well put in a real keyboard with numeric kaypad also.
>>>>
>>>> And besides, even if you have an laptop, most professionals will
>>>> hook up an external keyboard and screen anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> Unfortunately what you're using — the keypad-based application...
>>>>
>>>> You've got to keep applications apart from the editing.
>>>> I use EDT to edit our web based "GUI" applications.
>>>>
>>>>> and keypad-based editors — is dying out...
>>>>
>>>> EDT isn't "dying". Or, it is dying at the same pace as VMS is.
>>>>
>>>>> OpenVMS apps either need to forget about the VMS-layout LK and/or provide
>>>>> an alternative to the keypad...
>>>>
>>>> The keypad works just OK on any standard PC keyboard. With a few small
>>>> differences that should be easy to learn for any IT professional.
>>>>
>>>> Or are you now talking about the end-user applications? Yes, they should
>>>> not be depending on VT-style kayboards and keys, and they will probably
>>>> mostly be based on web interfaces, so it is a non-issue. I do not see
>>>> a huge volume of newly written VT-based applications today.
>>>>
>>>> But that is something completely different then me using EDT.
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> What he wrote ....
>>>
>>
>> OK. The difference might be that you are talkning about yourself.
>> I try to look at the VMS world at large, as far as I know it.
>>
>> I think the "market" I'm looking at is slightly larger then
>> the one you are talking about.
>>
>> If one look at the VMS markets today (banking, large companies
>> logistics back-office), that is not VT-based.
>>
>> And again, we should not mix up the end-users environment
>> with what we as programmers might prefer or use.
>>
>>
>>
>
> And I did no such thing.  All I wrote in another post was that it was going
> to be a black day when my keyboard died.  Nothing about apps.
>
> Just picked up a LK450 ....
>
> :-)

OK, right. We seems to agree that your keyboard preferences is
irrelevant for OpenVMS as such. Fine then. And I'm sure you'd be
better prepared for the future by *not* picking up any LK450...