[Info-vax] improving EDT

[Jan-Erik Soderholm]

Den 2016-11-17 kl. 21:37, skrev Kerry Main:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Info-vax [mailto:info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com] On Behalf
>> Of David Froble via Info-vax
>> Sent: 17-Nov-16 1:40 PM
>> To: info-vax at rbnsn.com
>> Cc: David Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] improving EDT
>>
>> Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2016-11-17 kl. 15:06, skrev Bob Koehler:
>>>> In article <o0iuam$kpd$2 at gioia.aioe.org>,
>>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=c3=b8j?= <arne at vajhoej.dk> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Notepad++ and Atom seems to be preferred general editors
>>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>>>    Preferred by who?  Nobody around here.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, and that is part of the general problem.
>>> Many here still lives in the past. Doesn't work as well today
> as it
>>> did in the past...
>>>
>>
>> Don't know about that.  I'm thinking that everything I do today
> is
>> based on the past.  As far as I can tell, things that have been
>> around for a while still do everything they did when first
>> developed.
>>
>> I have no problem adopting better methods, things, and such.
>> It's what I've always done in the past, "the past" being
> everything
>> up to each letter I type.
>> But I will not adopt anything, just because it's new.  It must
> show
>> itself to be better, better enough for me to abandon what I
>> already have learned.
>>
>
> +1
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> Part of the challenge is that some like to promote todays trends
> and technologies as being "current" or "next generation" or
> similar hype, and anyone who talks about the past is a dinosaur.
> The reality is that many of these current trends are
> vendor/media/analyst hype of simple enhancements of past products
> and technologies.
>
> Most here have likely read this dinosaur article, but it bears
> repeating:
> http://thedailywtf.com/articles/Jurassic-Programmers-
>
> A few examples of today's hype:
> - Public Clouds: aka selective IT Outsourcing
> - Private Clouds: aka internal shared services, aka IT Utility,
> aka Real-Time Enterprise (Gartner), aka Adaptive Enterprise (Meta
> Group, HP)
> - SOA: aka DCE (distributed computing environment), aka NAS (DEC
> network application services). Great in concept, and concepts do
> have a place, but while getting 5 dev groups to change the way
> they develop apps might be possible, good luck getting any more
> than that to change and agree on who, how, what, when and why
> specific services should be built, deployed and supported.
> - Virtualization: while usually associated with today's server
> technologies like VMware, Xen, Hyper-V, server virtualization was
> in place with nPars, lPars, mainframes, application stacking for
> decades before the current X86-64 focused products came on the
> scene.
> - Cloud Bursting: gobbligoop term created by cloud washing
> promoters to mean being able to dynamically expand a computing
> presence from one outsourcer (public cloud vendor) to another
> outsourcer. Great in theory, but has little reality when one
> considers security, data backup, data fail-back, WAN MPLS
> connections (offers availability, but not latency guarantees) and
> a host of other issues.
> - SDN: software defined networks: great concept except no
> Customer is going to throw away their existing multi-vendor,
> multi-platform network infrastructure for a single vendor network
> infrastructure. What about network security, support complexity
> etc?
>
> Manufacturing Customers are often viewed as Dinosaurs because
> they hang on to older technologies for longer than most. In
> reality, they simply understand that just because something is
> shinier and sounds cool, it does not necessarily mean they should
> change simply for the sake of change.
>
> Learning from the past to plan for the future ...
>

A lot of fun stuff there...

But, we are only talkning about giving (new) programmers
on VMS a decent environment to work in. I do not understand
why you drag clouds and all that stuff into the picture.

I do not understand your post. Are you saying that editing code in
EDT/TPU is "better" then editing code in one of todays popular IDE's?


>
> Regards,
>
> Kerry Main
> Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com
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