[Info-vax] Installing and using GNV - some feedback and questions

[Marty]

On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 6:33:42 PM UTC-7, BillPedersen wrote:
> On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 7:19:06 PM UTC-4, John E. Malmberg wrote:
> > On 10/24/2016 1:48 PM, John Reagan wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 24, 2016 at 9:32:39 AM UTC-4, John E. Malmberg wrote:
> > >> On 10/24/2016 7:42 AM, John Reagan wrote:
> > >>> On Sunday, October 23, 2016 at 2:49:53 PM UTC-4, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> > >>>> On 10/23/16 11:50 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> It looks like some of my comments may be based on my wrong belief that
> > >>>>> the updated tools could be used without installing the base kit.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> They can. I believe John Reagan said he did the LLVM port without
> > >>>> installing the base GNV kit. But some of what you're looking for may be
> > >>>> missing.
> > >>>
> > >>> That is incorrect. I "installed" the base kit and a bunch of the updates.
> > >>>
> > >>> What I do differently is I want a "local-to-me" kit.  I don't have
> > >>> privs on our cluster and I don't want to do a system-wide install.
> > >>> All that psx$root stuff isn't important to me.  However, PCSI kits
> > >>> are inherently system-wide.
> > >>
> > >> Have you tried using the "/remote" qualifier for PCSI with
> > >> PCSI$SYSDEVICE and PCSI$SPECIFIC pointed to a personally mounted logical
> > >> disk?
> > 
> > > So PCSI thinks GNV is installed but only accessible from my disk?
> > > That  isn't friendly to others on the system who might want to use GNV.
> > 
> > Who cares what PCSI thinks.  It would populate a logical disk image that 
> > you can use where needed.
> > 
> > > The real story was that we had the base GNV kit installed on some of
> > > our machines (but not all). I needed some newer pieces like sed, gawk,
> > > make, and grep if I remember. I just rolled my own.
> > 
> > The logical disk only needs to be privately mounted for the install.
> > 
> > I think you can mark the container file read-only for others to mount as 
> > needed on their cluster nodes.
> > 
> > I do not think you can mount a logical disk clusterwide, but as long as 
> > it is a read-only volume, I would expect that each cluster could mount it.
> 
> Yes, you can use LD devices cluster-wide and they can also be shadow set members.
> 
> Bill.

It struck me the other day that use of the LD disks is similar to how "The New Kids" are using the concept of containers and Docker.  Put everything you need to run an app, or a suite of apps, in an LD and you should not have to worry about the underlying OS stuff (as much).