[Info-vax] implementing IPv6 on the internet

[David Froble]

Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:
> Den 2016-09-21 kl. 11:34, skrev David Froble:
>> Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> Richard Levitte wrote:
>>>> Den onsdag 21 september 2016 kl. 10:01:55 UTC+2 skrev Dirk Munk:
>>>>> Now keep in mind that access from the internet to your LAN is not
>>>>> limited to web servers etc. There can be TV cameras on your LAN
>>>>> allowing you to check what is going on at home. You may want to
>>>>> switch on the heating system or the air conditioning half an hour
>>>>> before you arrive home, You may have a NAS on your LAN, and you
>>>>> may want to safe or retrieve documents from it over the internet.
>>>>> And so on.
>>>>>
>>>>> All these things require a proper network setup, and alas with
>>>>> IPv6 the IETF completely forgot to draft the proper RFC's.
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious, exactly what is it that you require?  Is it something
>>>> that must exist at the IP level?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Richard
>>>>
>>>
>>> I explained that in in the first posting of this thread.
>>>
>>> In short, you will have global IPv6 addresses on you home LAN.
>>
>> This concept is a bit like ethernet, where every ethernet device
>> manufactured had a unique 12 character address.
> 
> Has, not had. That is the MAC address, isn't it?
> 
> And it is not "12 characters", it is 12 hexadecimal numbers.
> represenentating a 6 byte binary value.
> 
>> However, I don't know
>> if this was administered by some RFC, or by the group of cooperating
>> companies that originally set up the concept.
>>
>>> These addresses with accompanying DNS names have to be registered on
>>> a public DNS server, i.e. the DNS server of your ISP.
>>
>> Perhaps not all ISPs have a DNS service.
>>
> 
> Perhaps they have. I'm quite sure they have. If not, they would have
> a hard time beeing an ISP at all, I guess.
> 
>>> There has to be a secure and automatic mechanism on your router that
>>> will take care of this.
>>
>> Nor do I understand why a router has anything to do with this?  I guess
>> it could.
> 
> The router knows about the local hosts behind the router and could
> handle the registration of these hosts in the up-link DNS environment.
> Of course using some automaticly generated domain names.
> 
>>
>>> Your ISP has to provide you with a (sub)domain where you can store
>>> your entries.
>>
>> Again, you seem to be saying this is the job of the ISP.  I'm not sure
>> that is correct.
> 
> They have to be registred somewhere.
> 
>>
>>> That is the only way you can access devices on you home LAN by a DNS
>>> name, like nas.levitte.org .
>>>
>>> I notice that you have your own domain, but I assume you don't have
>>> your own public DNS server. You will use the DNS server of some ISP or
>>> so. I also have a domain, but it is registered at Hurricane Electric.
>>
>> That's a bit different than what you've been writing.  Yes, some DNS
>> service could translate a name into an IP address.  But, perhaps it's
>> not the job of your ISP.
> 
> It is the job of the DNS servers. Due to load balancing and having
> the translation as close to the requestor as possible, the (all)
> ISPs will have their own DNS servers.
> 
>>
>>> So levitte.org should be registered at the nameserver of your ISP,
>>> otherwise reversed name lookup is impossible.
>>
>> So, I'm not sure that some official RFP is required.  Perhaps all that
>> is required is that your local IP addresses are not masked by ISPs and
>> such.
> 
> That is not enought, they have to have a domain name also. And that
> domain name has to be registred somewhere.
> 
> 
> 

Yes, it does.  I'm aware of that.

I'm also aware that in the US, (you non-US people don't have all these features, 
or actually, lack of), some ISPs have been cutting back on what early ISP 
delivered, such as news, DNS, and such.  It's already been mentioned that the US 
has some of the worse internet services.

Now, I'm not sure, but perhaps Verizon Wireless doesn't provide DNS services. 
I'm also pretty sure they do not provide news.

Capitalism has all too often been converted to gouging ....

:-(