[Info-vax] What would you miss if DECnet got the chop? Was: "bad select 38" (OpenSSL on VMS)

[Dirk Munk]

Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2016-09-29 22:34, Dirk Munk wrote:
>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>> On 2016-09-28 23:09, Rob Brown wrote:
>>>> On 2016-09-19, Dirk Munk <munk at home.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> DECnet Phase IV and DECnet Phase V are two completely different
>>>>> products.
>>>>
>>>> But phase V can communicate with Phase IV nodes.  RSX never got
>>>> Phase V.
>>>> What about DEC's other OSes?
>>>
>>> Only VMS ever got Phase V. All other DEC OSes stayed at IV.
>>
>> Incorrect, Tru64 also had Phase V.
>
> Ok. Noted. So VMS and Tru64 then.
>
>>>> I would like Phase V to retain the ability to talk to Phase IV.
>>>
>>> I would assume/hope that this was not removed, if Phase V were worked
>>> on. But I would seriously question the sanity of anyone at VSI who
>>> suggested they should put any work into DECnet.
>>> At most, it could make sense to provide the ability that Multinet
>>> already have, of using TCP/IP as a transport for DECnet circuits, which
>>> can be done for Phase IV. I suspect that could actually be of some use
>>> at a few places. And it has already been implemented.
>>> But anything beyond that, just would not make sense.
>>>
>>>     Johnny
>>>
>> The problem with the Multinet solution is that it is non-standard (not
>> covered by IP RFC's), and that it does not cover OSI applications.
>
> Who cares? You have two Phase IV nodes, they can connect using IP. All
> else is unchanged. Phase IV couldn't care less about OSI applications
> anyway. The same goes for RFCs. You do not have to have an RFC to use a
> protocol. We are talking about DECnet here, remember? The fact that it
> can be carried over IP just means that you have your phase IV DECnet,
> nothing changed there. All that happened is that you can connect two
> DECnet Phase IV machines who only have connectivity through IP
> otherwise. A simple, obvious win, without any downsides at all (except
> in your head).
>
>     Johnny

So you tell the people who need OSI over IP, that their systems don't 
matter. Nice.