[Info-vax] What would you miss if DECnet got the chop? Was: "bad select 38" (OpenSSL on VMS)

[David Froble]

Dirk Munk wrote:
> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>> On 2016-09-29 22:34, Dirk Munk wrote:
>>> Johnny Billquist wrote:
>>>> On 2016-09-28 23:09, Rob Brown wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-09-19, Dirk Munk <munk at home.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DECnet Phase IV and DECnet Phase V are two completely different
>>>>>> products.
>>>>>
>>>>> But phase V can communicate with Phase IV nodes.  RSX never got
>>>>> Phase V.
>>>>> What about DEC's other OSes?
>>>>
>>>> Only VMS ever got Phase V. All other DEC OSes stayed at IV.
>>>
>>> Incorrect, Tru64 also had Phase V.
>>
>> Ok. Noted. So VMS and Tru64 then.
>>
>>>>> I would like Phase V to retain the ability to talk to Phase IV.
>>>>
>>>> I would assume/hope that this was not removed, if Phase V were worked
>>>> on. But I would seriously question the sanity of anyone at VSI who
>>>> suggested they should put any work into DECnet.
>>>> At most, it could make sense to provide the ability that Multinet
>>>> already have, of using TCP/IP as a transport for DECnet circuits, which
>>>> can be done for Phase IV. I suspect that could actually be of some use
>>>> at a few places. And it has already been implemented.
>>>> But anything beyond that, just would not make sense.
>>>>
>>>>     Johnny
>>>>
>>> The problem with the Multinet solution is that it is non-standard (not
>>> covered by IP RFC's), and that it does not cover OSI applications.
>>
>> Who cares? You have two Phase IV nodes, they can connect using IP. All
>> else is unchanged. Phase IV couldn't care less about OSI applications
>> anyway. The same goes for RFCs. You do not have to have an RFC to use a
>> protocol. We are talking about DECnet here, remember? The fact that it
>> can be carried over IP just means that you have your phase IV DECnet,
>> nothing changed there. All that happened is that you can connect two
>> DECnet Phase IV machines who only have connectivity through IP
>> otherwise. A simple, obvious win, without any downsides at all (except
>> in your head).
>>
>>     Johnny
> 
> So you tell the people who need OSI over IP, that their systems don't 
> matter. Nice.

Perhaps sign up for a Reading 101 course?  All he wrote was that if someone 
needed a particular capability, and they were able to get it, that's a good 
thing.  I don't read anything negative about OSI and DECnet V.