[Info-vax] Development Tooling

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 12/16/2018 2:03 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 12/16/2018 11:22 AM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>> With the expectations of frameworks and tool chains, and around one or
>> more IDEs and increasingly on the scale of Xcode or JetBrains or VS
>> capabilities, and with expectations around app instrumentation and build
>> tools and deployment tools, and around security-related frameworks and
>> encryption, and a variety of other details well beyond the compilers,
>> these requirements developers increasing have can make OpenVMS a
>> difficult sale.
> 
> I'm going to propose some things that apparently escape your claims and 
> logic.
> 
> Do you really want a serious developer to be dependent on tools that 
> remove the need of some of the skills to be a serious developer?
> 
> Ok, typing errors I'll give you.  Probably the largest of the problems 
> I've encountered.
> 
> Consider, if the developer must be precise enough to do without some of 
> the aids, perhaps a better job can be done.  Complacency can lead to 
> errors as much, maybe more, than the lack of aids.

There is a big difference between "being able to do" and
"should do in day-to-day" work.

A good developer should be able to code using a plain editor
and build with compile and link commands.

But a good developer should not be doing that all the time. A good
developer should be using the tools that allow him to do more in less
time.

>> This among the subset of folks that are purchasing new servers for new
>> bespoke deployments.
> 
> I'll still claim VMS has a rather robust development environment.  Hey, 
> everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that's mine.

I think it is very robust. But it is lacking capability wise.

Arne