[Info-vax] Development Tooling

[Kerry Main]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Arne Vajhøj
> via Info-vax
> Sent: December 16, 2018 4:26 PM
> To: info-vax at rbnsn.com
> Cc: Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk>
> Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Development Tooling
> 
> On 12/16/2018 2:03 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> > On 12/16/2018 11:22 AM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
> >> With the expectations of frameworks and tool chains, and around one
> >> or more IDEs and increasingly on the scale of Xcode or JetBrains or
> >> VS capabilities, and with expectations around app instrumentation and
> >> build tools and deployment tools, and around security-related
> >> frameworks and encryption, and a variety of other details well beyond
> >> the compilers, these requirements developers increasing have can make
> >> OpenVMS a difficult sale.
> >
> > I'm going to propose some things that apparently escape your claims
> > and logic.
> >
> > Do you really want a serious developer to be dependent on tools that
> > remove the need of some of the skills to be a serious developer?
> >
> > Ok, typing errors I'll give you.  Probably the largest of the problems
> > I've encountered.
> >
> > Consider, if the developer must be precise enough to do without some
> > of the aids, perhaps a better job can be done.  Complacency can lead
> > to errors as much, maybe more, than the lack of aids.
> 
> There is a big difference between "being able to do" and "should do in day-
> to-day" work.
> 
> A good developer should be able to code using a plain editor and build with
> compile and link commands.
> 
> But a good developer should not be doing that all the time. A good developer
> should be using the tools that allow him to do more in less time.
> 
> >> This among the subset of folks that are purchasing new servers for
> >> new bespoke deployments.
> >
> > I'll still claim VMS has a rather robust development environment.
> > Hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion, and that's mine.
> 
> I think it is very robust. But it is lacking capability wise.
> 

For those that need / require / want newer IDE's for OpenVMS modernization, there are commercial options like eCube's NXTware Remote (eclipse based)
<http://www.ecubesystems.com/services/platforms.html#openvms> 
<http://www.ecubesystems.com/products/nxtware-remote.html> 

NXTware Testimonial video on YouTube - Credit Card Company using OpenVMS
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2kiRlXjZSM>

NXTware and Jenkins for OpenVMS: (automated Builds)
<https://www.slideshare.net/ecubemarketing/why-nxtware-remote-for-jenkins>


Regards,

Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com