[Info-vax] Vax Station 4000 VLC

[Dave Froble]

On 12/26/2018 8:47 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/26/18 7:01 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2018-12-26 kl. 10:06, skrev Phillip Helbig (undress to reply):
>>> In article <pvudfi$ouc$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> If you have your VMS system accessed in a terminal window or a tab
>>>> in your browser, you do not have to "go to a different machine" to
>>>> access anything else from the web. Or write a Word document. Or
>>>> check your mails on the corporate MS Exchange systems.
>>>
>>> It starts when you download something in a web browser.  If I want that
>>> file on VMS, if I have no browser on VMS, I have to transfer it from
>>> another machine.
>>>
>>
>> Extremely easy to do. Usually just a single (S)FTP copy. It's not
>> like you have to carry around a disk-pack or something...
>>
>> Constantly asking for special treatment (browsers, keyboards and such)
>> just to use a VMS system, is not doing VMS any good.
>
> Not providing the same level of service provided by all of VMS's
> competitors is not doing VMS any good, either.

Ok, the thread seems to have moved on from "proper keyboard", which 
isn't something provided by any OS vendor, to browsers.  So I'll ask, 
what OS vendors provide a browser as part of the OS?

Yes, there might be an argument that WEENDOZE comes with a browser, 
though I seem to recall some actions in the past where there was some 
legal issues with this concept.

But what about Unix and the many flavors of Linux?  I'm not talking 
about what might be provided as part of a distribution.  I'm talking 
about vendor developed.

The real problem here is that Phillip wants whatever he wants, but, one 
should keep a level playing field.  If some of the utilities available 
with other operating systems actually come from third parties, then why 
should VMS be held to a higher standard?  Good case in point, a "proper 
keyboard".  What Linux distribution includes a keyboard?

Now, if the problem is that if some browser, for example Firefox, 
doesn't run on VMS, then complain to the Firefox people.  Good luck with 
that.


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