[Info-vax] Programming languages on VMS

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 1/31/2018 3:48 PM, seasoned_geek wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 9:36:04 AM UTC-6, DaveFroble wrote:
>>
>> John, you know a bit about languages.  Let me ask a question.
>>
>> I'll preface the question by admitting that I view much of the "new languages"
>> as some people who just want to "re-invent the wheel".
>>
>> Do the "new languages" actually present more and better capabilities?
> 
> offering 0.0002 cents here.
> 
> The new languages are targeted at "script kiddies."

That sounds extremely bad.

You do know what "script kiddies" mean right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie

I suspect that the big corporations and open source projects
behind new languages would be very sad to hear that you believe
their effort is targeting those.

>                                                     The reason for that is
> colleges collect tuition while teaching absolutely nothing about real IT.

Some of them learn something.

> These kids wouldn't know what a debugger was because everything they write is interpreted.

I am sure many of them:
* have tried compiled languages
* have tried debugger
* unlike you are aware that interpreted languages can be debugged

> Right after New Years I spent an evening at a friend's house. Yes, I
> have friends. He and his wife had been bugging me to come visit for a
> while so I scheduled it. He's rather high up in his company and they
> are in the world of Finance, not banking. He flat out told me the
> only resumes he sees with a database on it are from kids who taught
> themselves programming. They got a college degree in IT without ever
> learning a database or SQL. >
> Colleges today are hawking worthless skills: AGILE and extreme OOP.

Not sure that it is so bad.

Illinois State University

https://illinoisstate.edu/downloads/catalog/it.pdf

offers:

378 DATABASE PROCESSING
3 sem. hrs.
Database concepts, emphasis on relational databases, SQL,
data modeling, database design, DBMS functions, database
application programming, current trends, design project.
Prerequisites: Grade of C or better in IT 261. Major or
minor only or consent of the school advisor.

and:

272 COBOL AS A SECOND LANGUAGE
4 sem. hrs.
COBOL language for students with substantial programming
experience in another language. Emphasizes structured
problem-solving and programming. Prerequisites:
Grade of C or better in IT 178. Major or minor only or consent
of the school advisor.

but nothing about agile at all.

:-)

> When C++ first came out, it had some issues, but was rather
> groundbreaking. Now it is being dragged into the world of extreme OOP
> with lambdas and other such things.
I would also expect todays CS students to have learned that lambdas is a
FP concept not an OOP concept.

Arne