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In article <fbd1v2Fug0vU1 at mid.individual.net>, Bill Gunshannon
<bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> wrote:

> >>>>>> The biggest problem in even considering a Tesla is that I live in a
> >>>>>> very cold climate which, since mid-December, has seen its temperature
> >>>>>> go no lower than -25c. In such a climate, the already poor range of an
> >>>>>> electric car is even worse and there are good reasons to believe that
> >>>>>> it wouldn't even start.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> the batteries are heated in cold weather and the cars start just fine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Are they heated through the use of a block heater or is there some
> >>>> other solution I'm not aware of?
> >>>
> >>> the batteries are heated and shortly before leaving, you can preheat
> >>> the cabin via a smartphone app.
> >>
> >> And that heating shortens your range.  Or did you think it was
> >> somehow free?
> > 
> > it's effectively free. the impact is a few miles less range, out of
> > 200-300 miles total. most trips are well under that, so it's not even
> > remotely a concern.
> 
> Say what?
> 
> Honda FitEV - 82 miles
> KIA SoulEV - 93 miles
> Mercedes Benz B-Class Electric Drive - 124 miles
> Mitsubishi I-MiEV - 106 miles
> Nissan Leaf - 75 miles
> Smart electric Drive - 90 miles
> Volkswagen e-Up - 99 miles
> Chevy Spark EV - 82 miles
> BMW i3 - 114 miles

<http://fortune.com/2017/01/22/tesla-long-range-electric-car/>
  Without much fanfare, Tesla has added a new battery option to its
  menu. The Model S 100D, currently listed at a base price of $92,500,
  offers an EPA-rated range of 335 miles on a full charge, making it,
  according to Autoblog, the longest-range consumer electric vehicle in
  the world

<https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/by-the-numbers-tesla-model-3-vs-chev
rolet-bolt-ev/>
  The Tesla Model 3's base battery confers a 220-mile range, which is a
  bit less than the Bolt EV's 238-mile range. The base Model 3 packs
  better performance, though, hitting 60 mph in 5.6 seconds (versus
  6.5-ish) and reaching a top speed of 130 mph (versus a paltry 93 mph).

  Add the bigger battery, and the Tesla's numbers get better. Range
  bumps up to 310 miles, the 0 to 60 time drops to 5.1 seconds and the
  top speed extends to 140 mph.  

> Not everybody can afford a Tesla.

the tesla model 3 starts at $35k, comparable to many other vehicles.

there are also assorted credits for buying an electric vehicle, further
reducing the actual price.

> Before I retired my daily commute was between 60 and 70 miles. 

then it's not a problem at all. 

> Very
> close for some of these cars without using some of that electricity
> for heat.  One detour because of an accident on the highway and I am
> screwed. 

not even remotely close.

> And what do you think it will cost to have it flatbeded to
> my house?  Not to mention the wasted time, inconvenience and danger of
> being stranded on the side of the road.  especially in -20 temps.

about the same as flatbedding any other car.

it's a completely fabricated scenario.

> Electric cars are about as ready for reality as autonomous cars.

autonomous vehicles are already on the road.